> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik [mailto:eparker@;mindsec.com]
> I just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents. You are 100% right. 
> Anyone who thinks
> "reply-to" needs to be there, probably hasn't been around too 
> long.. Reply-to
> is bad for as many reasons as they think it's good..

Why is it there in the first place? The major reason is to indicate the
sender of the message (read: the list engine) is not the originator (that
address is in the from: header).

> I use pine myself, but I think just about any mail client has a
> 'reply to all' button.. which is what everyone I know has 
> been using since the
> early 90's (And some of you have probably been using it into 
> the 80's).

Yep. reply and reply-to-all are there for messages that are send to various
addresses. The reason NOT to use that to send messages to one or more
maillists is to avoid snowballing multiple messages to more and more
addresses.

> Reply-tos break things like vacation, and are a BAD idea.. 

Recent problems on a maillist show that vcation break maillists, not the
other way round. Vacation messages should be send to addresses only once and
keep a record for this purpose. It should not send to all addresses in the
message every time.

In this particular example, the origional message was included in the
vacation message which is also a bad thing. Only headlines (read subjects)
can be copied in the vacation message.

> You wont lose an
> 'archive messages'.. Most lists do NOT have a reply-to, i'm sorry to say..
for
> those of you who think it does.  None of the Security focus lists, linux
> kernel lists, most LUG lists.. In fact, Out of the 80+ lists Im on, I
count
> 15 that have reply-to's..

That makes 15 discussion lists and  65+ announcement lists. I can imagine
that, it's verry hard to follow discussions in 80+ maillists, not to imagine
take place in such discussions.

Most of the maillists I'm subscribed to have a decent use of reply-to: The
discussion lists use reply-to:, the announcement lists have no reply-to:
There is only one (out of 15) that violates this. It origion is an
anouncement list and is moving some times into a discussion list.

> It's not time for the mailing lists to change, it's time for 
> people to learn how it's done, and how it's always been done.

I'm not the dog you can learn tricks. I'm the engineer that makes live as
simple as possible but not simpler! (free quoute of A.Einstein).

> > Marc MERLIN ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) composed today:
>>>>>>>remainder removed <<<<<<<<<<


CBee
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