Hi!

Thanks for your response!  The password I'm referring
to is the password that was setup for accessing a
remote computer through VNC, that is typed in the "VNC
Viewer: authentication [no encryption]" screen.

Mary
--- James Weatherall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mary,
> 
> The problem is that you're being ambiguous as to
> which password you mean.
> The VNC Authentication password is not passed from
> viewer to server, instead
> a challenge-response scheme is used.  All other
> data, including passwords
> you type into the remote machine, are passed in the
> clear.
> (NB: Enterprise Edition supports an encrypted
> version of VNC Authentication,
> to which the above comments do not apply)
> 
> Challenge-response means that the server issues a
> challenge to the viewer,
> which the viewer then modifies in a pre-agreed way
> using the supplied
> password, to get the response, which the server can
> then verify. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Wez @ RealVNC Ltd.
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> BPS
> > Sent: 26 November 2004 05:23
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: How to change encryption key?
> > 
> > --- James Weatherall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > since the VNC
> > > Authentication scheme is challenge-response, and
> so never actually 
> > > sends the password, encrypted or otherwise.
> > 
> > Can someone please help me understand this in
> layman's terms? 
> >  My understanding is that the password doesn't go
> over the 
> > internet, but once you're in a VNC session,
> someone could 
> > snoop on that session.  
> > 
> > While I have this basic understanding, I'm
> mystified as to 
> > how the password doesn't go over the Internet?
> > How does it get transmitted to the server if not
> over the 
> > internet?  Or have I misunderstood, and it goes
> over the 
> > internet, but is encrypted?
> > 
> > I drilled down on the definition of
> > "challenge-response", and got the following:
> > 
> > "A common authentication technique whereby an
> individual is 
> > prompted (the challenge) to provide some private
> information 
> > (the response). Most security systems that rely on
> smart 
> > cards are based on challenge-response. A user is
> given a code (the
> > challenge) which he or she enters into the smart
> card.
> > The smart card then displays a new code (the
> response) that 
> > the user can present to log in."
> > 
> > But I gotta say, it didn't really enlighten me ;-)
>  
> > 
> > I've only logged in to a VNC session once, and I
> was prompted 
> > to give a password, but I typed in the password
> and seemed to 
> > be connected without being "challenged....".
> > 
> > The realvnc.com website says "This password is
> encrypted to 
> > deter snooping, but the following graphical data,
> the VNC 
> > protocol, is not."  That makes more sense to me -
> that 
> > somehow it's encrypted, but if it's encrypted via
> a 
> > "challenge-response" system, I'd like to
> understand more 
> > about what "challenge-response" really means,
> please.  
> > 
> > I guess I can just fumble on knowing that the
> password 
> > doesn't go over the internet, or that it goes over
> the 
> > internet but is encrypted(??), without
> understanding how that 
> > happens, but I'd kinda like to understand how this
> happens, 
> > if any one has the patience to explain it to
> me....  I'd also 
> > like to be able to give a basic explanation to
> people that 
> > are leery of me using VNC on their computers - be
> able to 
> > give them some reassurance as to security.  (I'm
> working on 
> > figuring out SSH for more security, but that's a
> whole other 
> > topic ;-))
> 
> 



                
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