Joe,

Thanks. This is perfectly clear, and accurate. The DSL modem uses Ethernet, not 
USB;  I *do* have two NICs (10/100) in the Mac, and the Mac is known by 
192.168.1.2 to the DSL modem, while it is 192.168.2.1 to the LAN. I *do* have 
some control of the DSL modem, although as I said it seems it won't allow me to 
increase the number of LAN clients. (Maybe this is because I didn't change the 
LAN-side subnet mask from 255.255.255.252 to 255.255.255.0? I *can* change 
_Size of Client IP Pool_) There are more settings available to me using Telnet 
than using the Web-based configurator...

I wonder if an alternate solution is to reset the DSL modem's DHCP from 
_server_ to _relay_ (and toggle _bridge_ from _No_ to _Yes_, one of the 
Telnet-only _General_ settings?). I can set the Mac to access the WAN through 
PPPoE; wouldn't the Mac itself then be assigned the public IP address? In this 
case I would not be running two DHCP servers. But I'm a little hesitant to try 
this because I don't know what else would require setup. On the modem, there is 
a _NAT mode_ which can be _None_ or _SUA Only_ and a port/IP table under _SUA 
Only_; is this where I open ports? The OS X NAT router gives me no control at 
all other than 'on' and 'off.' (The only way I know what its IP range is, is by 
looking on a downstream machine.)

Joe Brown


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Kexel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jan 8, 2005 9:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Getting past *two* NAT routers

I am uncertain of exactly what your network diagram would be. I will
assume 2 nics in the Mac. One going to the modem (USB?) and one to your
lan. In that case,  the DHCP servers are not a problem for each serves a
different network.

Not knowing all the details of OS X Internet Sharing, I guess its a NAT
configuration. Your big problem is that you are a running a NAT network
behind another NAT network. You will need port forwards on both the router
(to the Mac) and the Mac to each machine you wish to connect to. Use port
5900 to the Mac.

Normally for my clients I just connect to one machine via port forwarding
or SSH port forwarding and then use a vncviewer on that machine to get to
the rest of the lan. The double NAT can be difficult, if you do not have
control of the router.

If, you wish to have open ports for each machine directly, then you
continue with 5901 to the Mac and forward that to Machine A, 5902 to
Machine B and so on.

I hope this helps. I know more of Linux than OS X, I run Yellow Dog on a
G4. Anyway, good luck!



> Hello,
>
> My DSL is served by PPPoE; the DSL modem is a mini-router allowing only
> one (192.168.1.2) address. I think I understand the port assignments when
> a single router serves multiple boxes. But I serve my LAN via a second
> DHCP server, the Mac OS X box itself (Internet Sharing). So not only the
> modem but also the main box is both a LAN client and a DHCP server; it
> doesn't have a "real" IP address to begin with, and in fact is known by
> two (the PPPoE modem is given the real one). What will get me to the other
> machines on the LAN? Manual port setting?
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