I agree with the idea that introduction of a seperate-entity newsgroup
would strangle off the email lists, but also agree that I don't like the
idea of working through 600+ messages in my inbox.
Something which happens on the comp.lang.python newsgroup may be of
value to the future comp.*.vnc group. Every now and again, a summary of
highly-discussed issues is edited and posted by Moshe Zadka
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, along with an occasional quick outline of
findings and embedded links to home pages and archived articles.
Something like this would allow an email-restricted lister to get a
quick idea of what's happening in the newsgroup without getting choked
down by messages.
The only catch is that it's not really a job that can be done by a 'bot,
so it's going to require someone with enough time and computer access to
chase down and analyse the threads, etc ... to make it work.
Joal Heagney/AncientHart
> > there were only 61 messages in the my VNC group.
>
> The times they are a-changin'...
>
> The VNC newsgroup idea is now 'out of the bottle' - and I don't see it
> now having 'the cork put back in'. I suspect that a newsgroup will be
> used by a majority of VNC users (and I shamelessly include myself).
>
> However, I also have no doubt that such a newsgroup will be 'bad news'
> for this list as it stands.
>
> I see two alternative routes, roughly speaking, which can transpire
> when a VNC newsgroup is formed:
>
> 1) the newsgroup and list will function as independent entities
> (though, of course, there will be some who cross-post);
>
> 2) the newsgroup and list will 'mirror' each other;
>
> In both cases the impact on the list (and those who rely on it) will
> be quite detrimental!
>
> Here's why:
>
> In case (1) the majority of users will 'transfer' to the newsgroup, no
> longer subscribing to the list. There will be a number who will, for
> whatever reason, remain on the list. However, the traffic to the list
> will most likely decrease, and I have no doubt that the all-round value
> of the list will decrease correspondingly.
> I think the subsequent "fragmenting of the VNC community" (as someone
> described it) is not an acceptable scenario at all...
>
> Since I have no doubt that a newsgroup will increase the audience and
> popularity of VNC quite substantially, the number of messages posted to
> it will increase steadily. In case (2) all of these messages will be
> mirrored on the list... and end up in your mailbox!
> You won't be sorting through 61 e-mails - more like 661...
> This will lead to the e-mail list postings becoming very difficult to
> manage, which will in turn lead to decreased usefulness for those who
> remain solely on the list.
> (And I'm not just talking about traffic - speaking personally, I have
> e-mail from a quite number of lists, and when I look through them all I
> have to decide as quickly as I can which are worth replying to straight
> away, which to leave a few hours, which to leave for a few days, which
> to archive for future reference, and which to delete. Any little help
> - and I often find the subject by itself is not sufficient - would be
> useful - even if it is worthless to most!)
> a few days, which
> to archive for future reference, and which to delete. Any little help
> - and I often find the subject by itself is not sufficient - would be
> useful - even if it is worthless to most!)
>
> It's time to stop arguing about the merits of a VNC newsgroup - there
> are none as far as the nature of this e-mail list is concerned.
>
> Instead it's time to figure out what radical changes need to be made to
> this list so it can carry on in a way that is useful for those who do
> have to remain here.
>
> I think there have been some reasonable starting suggestions in the last
> few hours - I really do hope that they can be compiled and turned into
> something...
>
> Adrian Umpleby
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