Hello list I've been following this thread with a lot of interest.
I'm no legal expert, but I would like to throw my 2 cents in here. Firstly, I do not agree with the M$ policy changes and I'm not overly found of M$ anyway. One of my major clients has been very upset by this licensing issue, so much so that they have made their own policy change - to move off of ALL M$ with the greatest speed possible. Due to a major upgrade in their operation, they would have to spend over 180,000 beans just in licenses! Secondly, this has caused a huge problem and major disruption within their organisation, especially as they are globally involved with other companies in their group. We make extensive use of TightVNC for all sorts of reason including support and certainly not only local to the site. The answer! M$ are shooting themselves in the foot! The general reaction throughout the group (approx. 70 companies worldwide) are going to follow suite a.s.a.p. - Open systems! The expense of doing this is huge, but when compared to doing the expansion using the M$ platform the cost of, is at minimum 100 times more! I say let M$ make their changes, the rest of the world are not fools, especially the bean counters, and after all if you want to make a change, save the bean counters a couple of beans and you have got their support! That's it!! Enjoy your day, I'm doing just that :-))) Regards Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Colliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: Re: What is the word here about Microsoft, VNC and XP? > As I see it, they can't stop anyone writing the software to take advantage > of an operating system. After all, that is what an operating system is for, > it is just a host for other peoples software. It would be restriction of > trade to stop authors writing this stuff. > > The license is directed at the end users, so it would be end users that > would be in trouble if they went against the license agreement. This could > end up as another anti-trust. > > I think what they are trying to do is to license the count of sharing a > desktop. This is acceptable if they feel that people could bypass their > protection scheme to stop too many desktops running using their system, > however, the wording is probably such that they will frighten many people > away from using other systems. As I see it, if I purchase per seat (or per > server) licensing for a server, then I should be able to access any of the > facilities of that server. If I choose to install software on that server > that will give a desktop to the client, if that client has an access > license, then why should that client not get a desktop? > > If they want to restrict this sort of system, and charge the earth for it, > then I see that cheaper alternatives will start to come forward for their > customers operating systems. > > They should make a distinction between operating system and desktop sharing > system, and have different licensing for each. I fear this license could > just be another nail in the coffin, as it is starting to make MS look > greedy. > > Regards. > Dave Colliver. > ~~ > All I ask is a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. > > Collectible dolls from http://www.collectorsdolls.com > Web design? 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Well they are > > transitory, they come and go and don't profit (monitarily anyway), and > would > > you just sue the current bunch or everybody who worked on it before (after > > all, they are probably the ones responsible, the current people are more > > likely to be maintainers if it's a mature OS release). It would really > have > > to be the users and how could M$ sue their end-point customers (not to > > mention there would be so many and hard to track). Could they force the > > site hosting the source to remove it? 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