To your point Alex,

The question isn't really about which softswitch. It is about which front end 
works with customers and which backend fits my needs to audit vendors and bill 
customers. The underlying communications technology (admittedly I am biased 
towards OSS myself) of how to connect to vendors and devices and what features 
can be offered is kind of a wash except in rare specific cases.

Going into how much technical work you are willing and able to put in to expand 
that base offering into your vision is step 1 in evaluating any platform. Sweat 
equity is a real thing and directly relates to your margins. The trick though 
is that just because you sweat, doesn't mean there is any guarantee of payout. 
There is no "A" for effort.

Jesse Howard

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Balashov [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 11:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Which Softswitch?

‎I would agree with that assessment. However, as long as you're aware of what 
you're getting into and the structural requirements of its operation, OSS is 
more pivotable and flexible, and can be pivoted and flexed better and faster. 
That's a big if/as-long-as, though. I emphatically concur that OSS is _not_ 
free--nothing like free.

To that end, it offers economic benefits for more than just tinkerers. 
Moreover, it's not a black/white continuum. We sell a commercial product based 
on OSS technology elements. Which side of this dichotomy is our solution in? 
Those customers who like to tinker can benefit from that. Those who don't can 
-- and they do -- treat it as a black box and don't care how it works inside. 
Both camps represent happy customers for us.

Peter Beckman did make an excellent point, however: the Internet of today was 
built out of open standards and open technologies. Everything we do, even deep 
in the caverns of proprietary corporate development, is inextricably bound up 
in OSS. So, to say that it is somehow constitutionally, ipso facto unsuitable 
for "production" is practically unintelligible. ‎
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Sent from my BlackBerry.
  Original Message
From: Peter Rad.
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 11:53
To: [email protected]
Subject: [VoiceOps] Which Softswitch?

Alex, either way - open source or commercial - you have a dependency.

I have consulted for many companies offering Hosted VoIP of all flavors in 
North America. What I have found is that most people serious about delivering a 
quality service go the commercial route for scalability, support, less risk and 
known quantity.

The ones that go open source, generally tinker. They are more enamored with the 
tech than the service.

I have clients that use a combo of switches - Acme or Sansay with Asterisk and 
Meta and Taqua and BSFT.

In either scenario - open source vs. commercial - retaining talent is 
significant.

It isn't like if you go open source all your problems are easily solved.

And I have seen spectacular failures from companies that went cheap, went open 
and crashed, because the mentality was go open, it is inexpensive. However, 
there is overhead with that including knowing how to cluster for scale, which 
very few people know how to do effectively.

There is nothing wrong with open source as long as the mentality is: I am going 
that route to save money and offer VoIP as cheaply as possible.
That is a disaster.

One last example: M5 before Shoretel bought them. They dumped M6/BSFT and built 
their own platform. The cost of the developers to keep the platform running and 
upgraded was just a little cheaper than the BSFT mafia vig.

There isn't a way around the cost of putting together a carrier grade service 
delivery platform. You pay it one way or another.

Just my 2 cents from over 10 years of consulting on VoIP.

--
Regards,

Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO INC
Circuits * Bandwidth * Consulting
(813) 963-5884


"The clever ones get support contracts for core open source software from the 
open source software project"

Oh, indeed. But it just doesn't feel as satisfying as having a long dependency 
chain of medium-to-large companies to blame, escalating that blame through 
sclerotic TACs and offshore NOCs. :-) ‎
--
Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC
303 Perimeter Center North, Suite 300
Atlanta, GA 30346
United States

Tel: +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) / +1-678-954-0671 (direct) 
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