I would say no. And faxing just needs to go away.  But with those
statements out of the way, I'm interested to see if anyone puts forth other
MTA / ATAs that just work.  We've been using Innomedia devices for a couple
of years, and they seem to 'mostly work'.  Not perfect by any means, but
enough that we don't get a lot of complaints.

Shawn

On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 2:37 AM Nathan Anderson via VoiceOps <
[email protected]> wrote:

> (...or, "Any currently-manufactured ATAs with a T.38 gateway
> implementation worth a damn?")
>
> Perhaps some will find this shocking, but for the longest time, we have
> been using Motorola VT1005 as our basic, low-port-count TA.  We had lucked
> into a large source of overstock, still-new-in-box units for cheap some
> time ago, but that source is now gone.  So we are shopping around for a new
> model to take its place.
>
> Part of the reason we stuck with the venerable Moto for so long was
> because our wish list looked like this:
>
> 1. Reasonable price point
> 2. Good performance for price
> 3. Solid T.38 implementation
>
> More to the point, we preferred a single TA that could fulfill all
> requirements, rather than having to stock multiple different models (e.g.
> one for voice-only, another for customers who actually cared about fax,
> etc.).  And for the residential/SOHO crowd, it struck me as ridiculous that
> some 1-2 port count TAs out there often have MSRPs that are higher than the
> routers they're going to be sitting behind (I'm looking at you, Cisco...).
>
> The thing about the VT1005 is that not only did it have a solid T.38
> gateway feature, but it was hands-down the MOST bullet-proof implementation
> I have EVER run across, period.  It "just works".  Even if I was okay with
> stocking a special model for our fax-using customers, and even if price was
> no object, I seemingly CANNOT buy another TA with as good an implementation
> for love nor money.  It was the same story every time: every couple of
> years, I'd order another TA model and/or pull out some previous eval units
> we'd acquired before & update their firmwares, re-test them, and still run
> into tons of issues.  So as long as the Moto was still available, I just
> kept kicking the can down the road.
>
> I'm going through that same hell again now, and I have realized over the
> last few weeks of opening tickets with hardware vendors & tearing my hair
> out that there is a common thread to my failing fax tests.
>
> 1. Fax TRANSMISSION always works fine (T.38 gatewaying kicks in, the
> modems train with each other at 14400bps, pages are sent successfully).
> 2. Fax RECEPTION is what breaks down (T.38 gatewaying kicks in, but the
> receiving modem -- the one plugged into the TA on our side -- always Fails
> To Train at virtually any speed)
> 3. ...though #2 is only true with CERTAIN fax modems, while others can
> receive faxes with non-Moto ATAs JUST FINE, at speeds up to 14400bps
>
> The fax modem I usually run my tests through is a cheap little USB-based
> hardware modem, but one with only Class 1.0 fax support.  It's based on
> what seems to be a fairly ubiquitous Conexant chipset, the CX93010.  When
> paired with Windows Fax & Scan and connected to a Motorola VT1005,
> receiving faxes via T.38 works just *fine*.  But when paired with literally
> any other ATA with T.38 support that I've tried, it will either attempt but
> fail to train at 14400bps all the way down to 2400bps, or (with one ATA in
> particular) it will finally successfully train and send CFR after training
> all the way down to 4800bps, or 2400bps at the worst.
>
> As far as I can tell, this is not strictly speaking a T.38 problem
> per-se.  This is an issue seemingly with the DSP on the ATA that's
> emulating the remote modem, and there is something about most of these DSP
> implementations that at least this particular Conexant-based modem does NOT
> like.  It can send faxes through these ATAs all day long, but whatever
> tones these TAs are generating, the Conexant just isn't having it.
>
> If I sub in a different fax machine in its place (e.g. big HP
> multifunction Laserjet), fax reception (mostly) works great through a lot
> of these same ATAs.  And similarly, if I just put the Moto back in service
> with the Conexant modem, that also works just fine.
>
> Now, sure, blaming the modem is fair game.  And I don't discount the
> possibility that there is something that it's doing wrong.  The thing
> is...the Moto VT just freaking works with it.  And the fact that there is
> at least one modem model out there -- one with a common enough chipset --
> that virtually all currently-manufactured TA models out there spouting T.38
> support cannot interop with makes me concerned that I'm likely going to run
> into more such interop problems in the field with customers' own fax
> equipment, after we start deploying & the TA we choose to go with is
> suddenly exposed to a much more, erm, diverse crowd of fax machine models.
>
> What on earth could this modem could be so sensitive to that it doesn't
> work with any of the TAs I've tested with it (other than the Moto)...?
>
> --
> Nathan Anderson
> First Step Internet, LLC
> [email protected]
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