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Apparently if a lot of people use his list, then it is them that is missing out on the legit mail, because the operator of that list specifically says that it is not recommended to use his list as an RBL because he blocks the entire upstream providers of spammers. Contact the admins that you get bounces from and ask them what the heck they are thinging using such a list. By reading the list admins page about the list, it makes perfect sense to not use it. He even blocks people that have sued rbls for one reason or another. Jim Barstow Internet Network Engineer Local Internet Services, Inc. PO Box 160 Ludington, MI 49431 (231)845-9797 ext. 1103 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jose Franco Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 1:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [VOPmail Beta] RBL abuse.. * This is the vopmailbeta mailing list * Hi Bill, I agree that it's not ilegall but do it on a public RBL server is nonsense. If it's a unknow RBL server no problem, but I know a lot of SMTP servers uses this RBL to accept mail from. I already saw messages in this list about this RBL server, so I sent this e-mail just to warn about it. But "no charge will be made and the entire deposit will be refunded " is a joke.... we are not talking about US$5,00 but U$1.000,00! ************************************************************** Jos� Carlos Franco Jr. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sigmanet.com.br SIGMANET Internet Provider Fone: 55-19-3255-3795 Fax: 55-19-3254-1194 Campinas - SP - Brasil ************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sobel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: [VOPmail Beta] RBL abuse.. > * This is the vopmailbeta mailing list * > > > > Folks, we need to do something about this type of illegal activity. > > Let me be clear about this; No, we don't. > > First, there is nothing illegal about this. For example if I want to setup > an RBL list that lists email sites who's administrators name is Gene, there > is nothing illegal about that. Now, getting people to actually > subscribe/use such a list would probably be a fairly hard proposition. > > Second, with no disrespect to Jose. A lot of spam DOES come to my > domains from South America. A much higher percentage of spam than or > legitimate mail because my users are North American aren't generally > interacting with South American users on a daily basis. I can say the > same about Asia also. > We don't block entire regions or countries, but we do allow our users > to do > so. However, if I decided today to block all of Brazil on my server, there > is nothing illegal (and nothing someone in Brazil could do about it). > Now my customers might have a different take, as it would be there > mail I would > be blocking, and they might go to another provider who didn't block Brazil. > It's called a free market. > > > This type of thing just ticks me off. > > Oh come on, where talking about this guys list > (http://www.blars.org/blars06c.jpg). How many people do you really > think are using it? :) I also recommend you read the info on the > block list he has posted there. > > > Pay to get off a list you should not be on? > > For what its worth, he doesn't charge to be removed. The actual quote > is "If it is found that the entry was a mistake, no charge will be > made and the > entire deposit will be refunded". > > Bill > > > > ** > To leave this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > and put the word "LEAVE" in the BODY of the email. ** To leave this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put the word "LEAVE" in the BODY of the email. ** To leave this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put the word "LEAVE" in the BODY of the email.
