Richard, Short and to the point:
Just the same educational experiences can be found with working class white youths whose parents moved out from the East End of London after the Second World War (move the dears out of slum housing and we'll be raising them up). Going back to my home town and seeing some of the old folks and neighbours (alas they are now passing on) that watched over my sisters and me as children, we all agree that Basildon and the surrounding areas has gone to the dogs. My elder sister who is over a decade older than me was something of a phenomenon in the area in the mid seventies. She had 12 O levels and 12 A grades and did very well at A level too in the days when those qualifications meant a lot (before they watered down the standards in the nineties and 00s so that you see the 97% pass rate today). She played the piano to grade 7 and was about to do grade 8. She could have easily picked up a performance diploma (though she didn't ice skate :). She didn't do too badly either at uni. nor her career. By the time of my generation (late eighties early nineties) just a small number of these white working class yobs would ruin any school. The less strong (and very small numbers) of black minority would join in 'to be popular' so fulfilling the low achievement expected of them. Kinda of role reversal don't cha think? You must say explicitly what the problem is if you are trying to help otherwise I can only see you as a segregationist. Did you try, repeatedly to reach out to these leftwing idealist idiots? May be the problem was one of presentation and labels and once having labelled you, you were beyond the pale? Thanks for the suggestion on the papers - though still somewhat nebulous I'll give the advice a go. R. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RC Macaulay Sent: 20 September 2005 04:26 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Way-OT: Mo' de king's English Remi, Back in the 1960's as I recall I was an advisor to our local college board acting as laison between the manufacturing business community and the college. My input during that time included my objection to the plan to integrate the public grade schools without addressing the wide range of cultural issues within the minorities groups. .Attempting to meld the different segments of minority students into a totally new environment could create a new problem that would defy a later solution . Within the minority groups exists certain absolutes.. being .. total lawlessness, total immorality, total depravity, total hatred, total malice, the criminal mind personified. This group is a plague within the community that preys off the rest to such an extent they dominate regardless of their small numbers. The police will not enter these areas . My input was that this group must be separated from the majority of the minorities that were seeking education. My input was considered discriminitory. No amount of cautioning could overcome the blind rush to " do something even if its wrong". The result was the criminal element entered the classrooms along with the seekers of education. Coinciding with the downward spiral of the failed experiment was the rise of the " angry black man" personified by national characters that profit from maintaining turmoil. Had they used the strategy used by Texas A&M to blunt the onslaught of "aggie jokes" much backlash would have dissappeared. The situation has spiraled down to the the point that classroom teachers have become demoralized , indifferent and dropouts. Our small town has a retreat center for teachers from across the USA. They suffer from burnout and are sent to these summer programs hoping to reduce the teacher dropout rate. More than five thousand have now passed through the courses. They have heard it all, seen it all and experienced daily verbal abuse and violence. What is missing in their attitude is any anger or hatred toward the ones they hope to educate. They are perplexed by the treatment they have endured and mystified by the indifference of the leadership in those communities. I carefully study your comments and surely you have become aware that I have given you some incentive to respond. My purpose has been to analyze your comments and gauge your thinking process as an aid to my counseling our company on employee relations. This has been my first opportunity to communicate with someone articulate and with a background like yours, My past attempt to engage a Muslim engineer was rather one sided ,yet revealing. As for my prejudice . I am a businessman and there is little profit in it. If the white American was prejudiced, the minority would cease to exist. Witness the historical genocidal action of nations of the world. There is something unique about the USA and England . I hope you grasp the thought as I pass on a clue.. study Ephraim and Manasseh and the gleaning of the grapes. As to my critique of your math.. examine your premise and lace your math together with your descriptive information in a more simple coherent presentation. You are very good technically, you can be much better. To those that much is given, much is required. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:51 AM Subject: RE: Way-OT: Mo' de king's English > RC M. in short what was the solution to the problem back in 1962 when you > sounded out? Do you believe in integration? What were you doing to warn > them > that the project would fail or did you retreat into a bunker as most > people > without the strength would? > > No judgment is being made (in the sense of ostracizing you). There was an > old lady called Mary Whitehouse who used to go on about all the sickness > on > TV (my school tutor was a lay CofE preacher). She was the Cassandra figure > but most of it came true. She had guts but suffered immense ridicule. At > that point most people turn old and jaded. > > I think the ultimate test of integration is the "look who's coming to > dinner > test". When the babies come along even the most rocklike can change. > > If you weren't trying to solve the problem in 1962, you were definitely > the > problem. Your view and that quote "there in NO solution" seems to state > that > the situation is unchangeable. In this belief system you would be prepared > to perpetrate all kinds of injustices. To me it's an either-or: *you are > the > wicked one* or you just haven't thought things through. But then... > > Thatcher has a similar view about S. Africa. May be she was right and the > world needed to move along and the Cold War to end. Now the PC have > stifled > the debated and those saying the harshest things are locked out. I > remember > a S. African saying (I'm doing the accent :) "Look, de problem wid de > bleck > min is he can-not share power. Innit?" HE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO SAY THIS. He > may be trying to help but he needs to act least he shows that he is > entrenched and not willing - he would then be the problem. > > > Also any comments about my work are much appreciated. What I don't find > useful is "you got a problem with the maths" where and precisely what > physical concept? Is the model getting in the way of genuine understanding > or experimental data? > > It's a cop out, no use to me and practically all I've ever had from the > science establishment and the "non-establishment" and it's beginning to > piss > me off. I don't see any desire to discover or understand. To me it all > gets > phoney and I don't believe anything anyone tells me. Hence my current > disdain for the admin work I have to do right now. > > Misquoting NWA "To a kid looking up to me, don't do science, it ain't > logical nor democratic". Sorry, we can't all rap. > > R. >
