In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:33:35 -0700: Hi Jones, [snip] >When this hydrino-hydronium ion reaches the ocean, where there are >potassium and other catalytic ions already partly ionized, it will >then eventually be enticed to shrink to a state where... as you >agreed, it become an energy-poor quasi-neutron...
Unfortunately, I think that "quasi neutrons" would survive not much longer than free ordinary neutrons. Both are rapidly thermalized, and would likely soon be absorbed into another nucleus. How long do free neutrons survive in a fission reactor once the process is shut down? Not longer than a few seconds (if that) I suspect. > >At which point it will very likely eventually drift into the >strong force field of one of the (protons) of the hydrogen of >water, becoming an energy poor deuteron. I don't think there is any such thing as an energy poor deuteron. When the weak force reaction takes place, energy is released. If there is initially less energy available, as in the case of quasi neutrons, then it just means that the final energy release is less by the difference between the energy of the quasi neutron and the energy of a real neutron. However the final product, the deuteron, always has the same mass. >This is the population >which I am trying to identify and which Mizuno has apparently >discovered. Mizuno may have discovered something like this, or he may have discovered a link between the electromagnetic and nuclear forces. (just to suggest a totally different alternative ;) > >> Actually, the thermal neutron radiative capture cross section >> for >> Hydrogen is only 332 mb according to >> http://atom.kaeri.re.kr/ton/nuc1.html > >Notice I said "characteristic" and not cross-section. The stopping Point taken. >power of hydrogen for neutrons due to the almost identical mass is >as important as its moderate cross section in the circumstance of >cosmic neutrons (or hydrino hydrides) reaching earth - so that few >neutrons reaching the surface (4/5 ths ocean) are abosrbed by >anything other than hydrogen due to the combination of ubiquity, >stopping power and cross-section (which is thousands of times >higher than oxygen or nitrogen - the other ubquious choices. The >same would be true for energy-poor neutrons which were once >hydrinos. I also don't think there is any such thing as an energy poor neutron, for the same reason as here above. Note that by neutron, I mean the product of a weak force reaction, i.e. a real neutron. Quasi neutrons (actually severely shrunken hydrinos) OTOH are by definition energy poor. Note also that the definition of "energy paucity" depends on the physical environment. I.e. a real neutron that is a free particle has more mass than a neutron in a nucleus, but neither are "energy poor", despite having different energies (masses). IOW being energy poor means having less mass than the equivalent particle in the same situation. A free quasi neutron is "energy poor" because it has less mass than a free neutron, even though the free quasi neutron has more mass than a bound neutron. > >At any rate - the aim is to find a way that over geologic time, >most of the solar Hy arriving in the solar wind (or ab initio) >might have been already efficiently converted to the speices which >Mizuno has found.... be it deuterino or the alternative, which >would be a normal deuteron with an enegy-poor neturon. It appears >more likely, after what you have said to be that later entity - a >normal proton and orbital, but with an enegy-poor neturon which >was once a solar hydrino. Deuterinos are far more likely to produce an Oppenheimer-Phillips reaction than ordinary deuterons, because the reduced Coulomb barrier in the case of deuterinos makes a close approach to the nucleus far easier. [snip] > >> I would expect about the same proportion of hydrinos to have >> undergone neutron capture, as the proportion of hydrogen. As >> near >> as I can tell no one even considers that some deuterium has been >> formed through neutron capture, most simply assuming that the >> current hydrogen/deuterium ratio is the same as it was when the >> planet formed. (Though this obviously can't be true - some must >> have formed, and some must have been destroyed). > >The ratio is indeed very different here - comapred to the solar >ratio, which is itself very different from the cosmological ratio. If the ratio of D/H is higher here than on the Sun, then it would seem to imply that Deuterons are forming on Earth. Is the ratio here higher or lower? If they are forming here, then hydrino capture may well be the mechanism. > > > The chances that "hydrino water" would be essentially >> indistinguishable from normal water (or even liquid) are slim. > >Not if redfeined as above! Not if the species in question is a >regular orbital deuteron formed from a proton capturing and >enegy-poor neturon, which was once a solar hydrino. Since I don't believe in energy poor neutrons, I will not look through your telescope! ;) Now that said, I do think there may be dihydrino molecular ions masquerading as deuterons, and yes, these may well take the place of hydrogen in ordinary water. A dihydrino molecular ion is a quasi neutron that has become chemically bound to a bare proton. I.e. two protons sharing a single severely shrunken electron. It looks just like a hydrogen molecular ion (i.e. a hydrogen molecule that is missing an electron), but much smaller. To the outside world, it looks much like a fat deuteron. It has a mass of about 2 amu, and a single positive charge. The difference between this critter and a real deuteron is that at the core or this thing there are actually two protons rather than a proton and a neutron. > >> I suspect that this may be more readily explained by a dihydrino >> molecular ion masquerading as a deuterium nucleus. > >I think not, because of the initial rarity of hydrinos, and the >resultant low probability of hydrinos hooking up with each other >before they do something else. This isn't necessary to produce them. They form easily when a hydrino combines with an ordinary proton (of which there are plenty). In fact this may be the fate of all hydrinos in an aqueous environment that shrink past level 24, after which they can no longer hold on to a second electron in the same shrunken orbit as the first electron, assuming they haven't fused by that time. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk In a town full of candlestick makers, everyone lives in the light, In a town full of thieves, there is only one candle, and everyone lives in the night.
