In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:58:02 -0900: Hi Horace, [snip]
After Bill's post, and before mine, you posted two messages. In the first, you wrote:- -------------------------------------------------------------- "My opinion is the glow is probably caused by recombination and some other effects noted in the above pdf. Could of course be quite wrong. Could be a hole-electron annihilation at the surface of a film deposited on the electrode for example. It could be hole conducting metals, e.g. Zn, would need no film at all. Could also be the mechanism for CaO or phosphate electrolytes differs from the above too. I did not follow up on this to pin it down. I diverted my attention to some exiting inertial drive projects for a long time and had to interrupt even that for personal reasons for many months. I terribly miss doing scientific things." ---------------------------------------------------------------- and referred to http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/BlueAEH.pdf. In the second you wrote:- ---------------------------------------------------------------- As food for thought, you might also check out: <http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/BlueAEH.pdf> Even though the blue glow is an anode effect, proton involvement is highly likely. There are some notes in the above pdf about proton tunneling that may be relevant. A wild speculation is that free protons are stripped of electrons at the anode, probably have the highest concentration there, and may in rarely and briefly existing pairs have the ability to tunnel as pairs into seed locations, like free electrons. ---------------------------------------------------------------- I didn't initially read all of the document at the link which you posted, primarily because it starts off talking about your Atomic Expansion Hypothesis, which I don't believe. Therefore, at first glance neither of your posts appeared to mention what I suspected was the cause of the blue glow, hence I posted it to the list in a succinct form. Now, upon a closer (yet still incomplete) reading of your reference document I come across the sentence:- "Similarly, in a sufficiently high gradient, electrons may be stripped off of OH- radicals leaving OH molecules. The electrons so removed then, in the high electrostatic field, blast through the water until hitting H3O+ radicals and then freeing the hydrogen, causing atomic expansion." ..which is almost what I said in my post. I'm afraid this is more a case of "great minds" thinking alike than plagiarism. ;) > >On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > > >> If the electrodes do indeed form diodes, and the glow occurs >> during reverse bias, then that is when a high voltage falls across >> a very thin chemical layer. The electron leakage current could be >> sufficiently accelerated to produce energetic electrons capable of >> exciting high energy (i.e. blue) transitions within the atoms. > >When I read this I was very concerned that this is what I had been >saying, so why the need here to say it again? Did I not post >something? However, between preparing stuff for the web site, >private exchanges, and posting some thoughts as they developed, I can >see that it is not at all clear exactly what I have been saying. >At any rate, a hopefully more coherent exposition can be found at: > ><http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/GlowExper.pdf> > > >Horace Heffner Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
