Philip Winestone wrote:

Many energy expenditures occur, even/especially with oil-based fuels. Imagine how much energy it takes to transport fuel from the the wells to the refineries dotted about North America to the fuel depots and then to the individual retail outlets.

Oil energy overhead is 15% to 20% depending upon where the oil originates, and how much it needs to be processed. Most of the overhead is at the refinery. See Appendix C, here:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/NRELenergyover.pdf

Ethanol energy overhead is 60% according to the industry and well over 100% according to others. Enzyme conversion has the potential to increase output considerably, and it will probably bring the overhead below 100%, but the total mass of biomass is so limited this can never be a substantial source of energy.

- Jed


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