8:54 AM Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote:

> For many years they have claimed modest COP but nothing commercializable
>
> Can they now demonstrate net real gain?
>

Any gain is real, even 0.1%. Perhaps you mean "significant gain" or "gain
enough for practical or economic use."

I think Steve Krivit and some others say that a gain has to be 1 or above
or it does not count. Unless you get out 2 W for every 1 W of input, it
isn't a "gain" by their standards.



Some people call the gain the "COP," but I think that is technically
inaccurate. That means "coefficient of production." As far as I know it
only applies to heat pumps. They do not create any energy, as I am sure
everyone here understands.

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