Re: Burning Water, 5,500 BTU/LB Freebie

Sat, 13 May 2006 08:05:20 -0700

These people seem to stay more focused on relevant matters.
 
http://www.hydropowercar.com/content.php?content.6
 
Worry about storing the energy after figuring out how to get it on the cheap.
Posted Earlier:
>
> The  4.6 eV work function of Nickel  is close to the 4.52 eV
> work function of Tungsten, but the Amp/Meter^2/Deg^2
> is half the 6.0E5 for Tungsten.
> OTOH, with a Helmholtz  Double Layer Zeta Potential
> of 0.125 volts at the Water-Nickel Interface. which is comparable
> to a Boltzman temperature  of 1450 K based 11600 K/eV.
> IOW with the right surface conditions of the metal "cold
> electron donation" of the metal to the H3O+ or H+ is
> possible. Likewise for the donation of the OH- electron
> to the image charge on the Nickel Anode especially if
> the electrodes are "pre-biased" using Contact Potential
> (about 0.21 volts for Iron-Nickel or Copper-Nickel 0.3 volts).
>
= 12,555 joule/gram = 12 BTU/gram = 5,500BTU/LB
 
 
 
According to the Dushman equation J = Ao*T^2*e^- bo/T
 
For Nickel Ao = 3.0E5 amp/meter^2/deg^2 ,
 
bo = 58000 = 11,600 * Ew (work function eV)
 
With a 0.125 volt Zeta Potential T = 0.125*11600 = 1450 deg K
 
Hence the current density J = 3.0E5* 1450^2 *  e^ - 58000/1450
 
= 2.68E-3 amperes per square meter.
 
OTOH. increasing the Zeta Potential to 0.150 volts increases
current density J to 3.0  amperes per square meter,
at a Zeta Potential of 0.2 volts J increases to 22,000 amperes
per square meter. 
 
More than you need in the approximately 0.7 square
meter Metal-Water Interface area in the JOE CELL.   :-)
 
Fred
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 5/12/2006 7:06:58 PM
Subject: Re: Burning Water, 5,500 BTU/LB Freebie

Quite obviously a high compression engine (spark or diesel ignition) 
operated closed-cycle using Argon in the manner that Caltech used it,
will work as well as theirs except that the low pressure high Metal-Water Interface
surface area and a higher Ion Product Constant Autoionization Self Electrolysis
of warmer water ( low current battery bias) will negate the need for electrolyzing the
re-circulated H2O.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 5/12/2006 4:28:58 PM
Subject: Re: Burning Water, 5,500 BTU/LB Freebie

No magic ingredients, just Autoionization and  the Helmholtz Double-Layer
Reduction-Oxidation Effect  of  High Purity Water on a sufficient large
anode-cathode metal surface area with a current return path.
 
2 H2O <---> OH -   +   H3O+
 
Cathode H3O +  + e-   ----->  H2O +  H   (gas)
 
Anode OH -  -  e-   ------>    OH  (gas)
 
ICE Combustion H + OH ----->   H2O + 226,000 joule/gram-mole
 
 

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