Grimer wrote:

The theological virtue of Faith (belief without doubting) may be appropriate for religion, but it has no place in science.

Here is what has no place in science:

Claims unsupported by experimental proof.

These include the often repeated claims that you can extract energy from magnets, or HTSC, or Orgones, without a primary source of nuclear, chemical or mechanical energy. Unless someone can offer serious experimental proof of such claims, I do not think we should take them seriously.

Putting aside all discusssion of dipole magnetic moment and quantum mechanical theory, I think we should all agree that on the macroscopic level magnets act just the way springs do, and there is no known method of extracting energy from them.

Of course there have been many claims of magnetic motors and Greg Watson devices, etc., ad nauseam, but none has ever panned out. As far as I know, they are all gross violations of elementary physics (c. of e.) Can we agree on that?

If anyone here is aware of any such claim that has actually been experimentally proved -- or even tested in a credible way -- please tell us about it.

- Jed


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