err..i guess the surface of the cavity is in compression instead of tension.
so would the fusion occur there?

Harry

Harry Veeder wrote:

> 
> Nice analysis.
> 
> If the cavity is at a lower pressure than the surrounding
> fluid, does the surface tension of the fluid act like the
> hull of submarine?
> 
> Harry
> 
> Grimer wrote:
> 
>> In the light of the parallel between the
>> "Tiny Bubbles in the Sky . . ." and the truly tiny
>> bubbles in sonoluminescence I thought I'd revisit
>> my files and find how the insights gained from those
>> space "Bubbles" might increase understanding of the
>> connection between the two.
>> 
>> The most significant recent work is, of course, that
>> by Taleyarkhan. As might be expected, his claim of
>> fusion has caused a similar furore as that of F&P.
>> 
>> The distinctive feature of Taleyarkhan's experiments
>> was the use of neutrons to seed the bubbles rather
>> than relying on:
>> 
>> "small air bubbles already in the liquid. Using this
>> new method, the team was able to produce stable
>> bubbles that could expand to nearly a millimeter in
>> radius before collapsing. In this way, the researchers
>> stated, they were able to create the conditions
>> necessary to produce very high pressures and
>> temperatures."
>> 
>> Now it is significant that the high temperatures
>> claimed (10 megakelvins) and the relatively huge
>> expansion are the same as that claimed for the
>> "Tiny Bubbles in the Sky . . .". This suggests
>> that from a General Systems viewpoint we are
>> dealing with the same phenomena, a highly rarified
>> gas in an intense Beta-atmosphere vacuum.
>> 
>> I believe that the mistake Taleyarkhan and others
>> are making is to focus their attention on the
>> collapse of the bubble. In the first place we are
>> not dealing with bubbles but with their inverse,
>> with not-bubbles. In other words we are dealing
>> with cavities.
>> 
>> Bubbles are at a higher internal pressure than
>> the surrounding environment. Cavities are at a
>> lower internal pressure. Therefore, though
>> "Tiny cavities in the sky...." may be less poetic
>> than "Tiny bubbles..." being more suggestive of
>> rotten teeth than a mountain spring, it would
>> be a more accurate title for this thread.
>> The bubbles in the sky aren't bursting but
>> collapsing.
>> 
>> The temperature increase in Taleyarkhan's
>> cavities must take place as the cavity expands
>> and the temperature of the low pressure gas
>> inside the cavity increases to that of the sun's
>> interior. Any action that takes place must occur
>> when the cavity is large. As the cavity
>> decreases in size the temperature of the
>> rarified gas within will drop.
>> 
>> The same conditions must apply in the case of
>> cold fusion. The temperature of the rarified
>> gas within expanding cavities will increase
>> to levels sufficient for fusion to take place.
>> 
>> What causes the expansion of the cavities in
>> palladium. Who knows? Redistribution of the
>> stresses inbuilt during manufacture perhaps
>> giving rise to increase in compressive strains
>> in some places and increase in tensile strains
>> in other. 
>> 
>> I suppose a more likely cause is the
>> differential tensile strains that arise from
>> the pressure of deuterium nuclei as they
>> saturate the metal.
>> 
>> Perhaps a more accurate name for Cold Fusion
>> would be Cavitation Fusion, cos, clearly,
>> that's what it is.   8-)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Frank Grimer
>> 
>> The high temperature inside metal cavities
>> also explains what the researches detected
>> inside the cup and cone cavity that forms
>> just prior to failure in steel. It's a
>> pity I never been able to find that reference
>> again. No doubt someone will turn it up one
>> of these days.   8-)
>> 

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