But the investors they already have were gained before this announcement (probably in large part for their security inventions), and they have said that they won't take on any investors until after the jury gives their answer, and looking for investors after you have failed the tests is a pretty bad idea.

Furthermore even if you believe they have found some setup that they know is not OU but appears to be and should fool 12 sceptical scientists one could ask why they would need investment money (being that they are not manufacturing it) to do the next thing if they are getting money from licencing this? (unless that's the scam ;)

I suppose the only thing that does make sense is that the scam has already happened before the Ad in the economist, this is just an attempt to appease the current investors, but wouldn't a plane trip to some island have been a better idea? (And still what of the technology they have already developed)

Please explain how you envision this scam working, yes scam was my gut reaction too but I don't think it's a valid one.

On 8/27/06, William Beaty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, John Berry wrote:

> They also have investors who have put millions of Dollars into this company.
>
> So they are real and if it's a joke it's a very expensive one.

No, it's the opposite of expensive.  If it's a joke, it's a VERY
profitable one.

I say, follow the money.  If they're making money off investors, yet their
product is totally unproven as well as being outside of current science...
then it could be a scam.   In fact, I'd say that it's almost certainly a
scam.

Analogy:  if someone is selling extremely expensive treasure maps, then
you can be almost certain that it's a scam.  Why?  Because the "treasure
map scam" is very old, and very well known, even though real treasure does
exist.  Treasure map scams are aimed at ignorant people who haven't heard
of them before.

And even though FE energy sources could easily be real, the formula for FE
scam is still the same: to take investor's money without having proved
your claims.

> Also they claim to have many scientists verify the reality of the effect,
> though it's true we must take Steorn's word on this their word seems to be
> getting better and better every moment. (unless it's a hoax we can trust
> this statement)

Not a hoax.  With that much money involved, "hoax" wouldn't be what's
going on.


> Being that they can't be mistaken the only thing remaining is a hoax/joke
> but with the money and technology this company has it would be suicide to
> hoax this, a very expensive joke.

The third option is scam.  And it's no suicide.  They can be like Joe
Newman or Dennis Lee or Meyer, and just keep their unproved claims going
forever, and keep taking investors dollars forever.  After all, if they
never produce a device, they can do as all past scammers have done: blame
the Oil Companies, or the CIA, or the MIBs.


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