Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 >> Why aren't people more clear about the steorn
motor and say that it
 >> gets colder as it creates mechanical power?
 >
 > Because it doesn't.  It's a magnetic motor --
permanent-magnet-based
 > engine -- and there's no mechanism for it to "steal
heat" from the
 > environment, nor any evidence whatsoever that it
does so.

That's not a true statement.  Permanent magnets are
magnetic materials with relatively 
high coercivity.  When one studies MCE (Magnetocaloric
effect) they learn about such 
effects such as micro and nano magnetic avalanches,
etc.  It is possible to rob ambient 
energy from magnetic materials as I have my proof in
way of highly sensitive temperature 
measurements with certain magnetic materials.



 > It's type-1 perpetual motion:  violation of the
first law, which is
 > conservation of energy.  If the Steorn motor works,
then a Steorn motor
 > operating in a closed environment will warm up that
environment.
 >
 > You're talking about type-2 perpetual motion: 
violation of the second
 > law, with energy moving "uphill" against a thermal
gradient.  If your
 > idea for diode arrays works, then when it's
operating in a closed
 > environment, it will make no net difference to the
temperature of that
 > environment.

That's simply not true.  An LED connected to a
resistor generates photons.  All LED's 
dissipate energy below the forward voltage, as there's
no lower limit.  Furthermore, 
there's no upper crest voltage limit to *real* noise. 
The photon energy emitted from the 
LED comes from the resistors ambient energy.  If you
focus the photons on a solar cell, 
and connect the solar cell to a battery then you are
essentially converting the kinetic 
energy in ambient temperature to potential energy in
the battery, which does *indeed* drop 
the overall temperature with in the closed system. 
:-)


Regards,
Paul Lowrance


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