I have an intuitive feeling - totally unsubstantiated - that the law of energy conservation is to energy, what Newton's laws were to mechanics (or physics in general).

I mean you can take a pound of any explosive and explain that the energy from that explosive is a direct (measurable) result of the chemical energy used (a) to combine the chemical ingredients and (b) recombinations with the oxygen inside and outside of the explosive itself (rather a crude explanation).

But when one looks at a nuclear explosion or nuclear energy in general, how do we get to the source of the energy that was used to "combine" the subatomic particles in the first place, to form whole atoms? How far back in this "process" do we have to go? We just assume that on a universal scale the first law has always operated...

So it could be that energy is inherent in everything (as Einstein demonstrated of course). But I keep asking the question: If there's as much energy in a pound of butter as there is in a pound of uranium, how do we release the energy from the butter? Perhaps the current research into LENR will give us some insight (and eventually we'll run our heating systems on butter!!!)

P.



At 09:50 PM 1/21/2007 +1100, you wrote:
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:

In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:00:17 -0500:
Hi,
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Because it doesn't. It's a magnetic motor -- permanent-magnet-based engine -- and there's no mechanism for it to "steal heat" from the environment, nor any evidence whatsoever that it does so.

It's type-1 perpetual motion: violation of the first law, which is conservation of energy. If the Steorn motor works, then a Steorn motor operating in a closed environment will warm up that environment.


If it works at all, then I'd be more inclined to believe that it is deriving
energy from an unexpected source, rather than creating it.

One off-beat possibility is a time distortion field. I wonder if clocks in the
surroundings run at a different speed? :)

Time or inertia distortions are a distinct possibility if zero point energy is being tapped and Haisch, Rueda and Puttoff are right that ZPE is the energy behind inertia, gravity and thus all potential energy.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_electrodynamics

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Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

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