I'm not even quite sure which one of us doesn't get it ;) I'll just restate my position hoping it may help.
What I'm saying is that any change in the magnetic field created by a magnet (permanent or electro) or any change in the position or orientation will not instantaneously be transmitted, the changes will occur at approximately the speed of light. This is a very great rate but is not instantaneous, and this should see the example I posted create a net force. consider 2 points in time: 1. S=N S=N |1 meter a second| 2. S=N S=N |1.5 meters a second| Now consider that the magnet to the right in the second point of time is reacting to the magnetic field created by the magnet to the left in the first point in time because the magnetic field from the magnet as stated earlier is not instantaneously transmitted, the other magnet has the same (only reversed) occur. You could if you like look at it from another point of view, gravity bends light which is (electro) magnetic, it should also bend a magnetic field pulling it down. A third way would be to look at the time dilation due to time passing ever so slightly slower the deeper you are in a gravity well, this would cause the magnet deeper in the gravity well to effectively put out less of a magnetic field (much the same as if it were a flash light it would put out less light from an outside perspective) so the magnet above it is less strongly effected, however the magnet above (from the perspective of the magnet below) is creating a stronger than expected field. Interestingly the same time dilation point of view does not appear to hold up for the acceleration situation, so maybe it's a bonus? Either way to want to look at it the magnetic field is distorted The only contradictory effect I can think of is that much like a plane, the magnetic field might be compresses in the direction of travel and rarefied in the opposite direction which could counter the effect, this wouldn't invalidate the basic idea of using time delay to create free energy or a unidirectional force only this version. At any rate I was just hoping that a calculation could be provided though I think it would be difficult to measure without an impressive setup. Here is another way to use time delay: (previously posted) Please take into account that it wasn't written to this list. It is mathematically certain OU. I am a major proponent of the aether, though I didn't like it to begin with it just makes far too much sense. What is odd is I'm going to present a Free Energy device that does not use the aether in any way. In part that's why I'm presenting it here, not sure I need this distraction, but it's so straight forward. It's the super charging effect, connect a decent voltage to a long piece of wire and current flows, if it is an open circuit it will take a while before it knows this and so it will send current through anyway charging it to a high voltage, it's the electrical analog of the verified OU water hammer effect in pipes, now if we take the speed of light in a vacuum 299,792,458 meters a second (in reality it will be slower than that which is good) and suppose a 200 meter transmission like, then double it to 400m because the wave gets to the end and must reflect, so that gives us 749,481 but we need some off time, so assume a 50% duty cycle, we have 374,740 hz, quite reasonable. Now what happens where all those electrons, amps and amps worth squeeze themselves into a piece of wire? Well you get a crazy high voltage. Maybe even high enough to release the electrons as effectively beta radiation. At any rate metals near it will be charged, now what does this sound like to you? Tesla, Ed Gray. We know the effect works, it occurs in long transmission lines (it happens every time, and it's killed people), there is nothing to doubt, and the math works out. It's only an issue on engineering it and making it practical, and unlike the mysterious forces of the aether we can calculate this one before we begin. Now I am in favor of doing this with a long line as that simplifies the switching we can make a compact long transmission line by making the type of coil Hooper (motional magnetic field guy) made, where we fold a wire back on it's self, by doing this we get a compact transmission line without the inductance of a coil (a normal coil will slow the all important rise time), a normal bucking bifilar coil won't work as the impulse will transfer inductively and will appear superluminal as it won't travel through the wire, but the Hooper coil or tightly wound bucking parallel caduceus (in other words a normal caduceus) will have both types of inductances cancel. (note: the caduceus coil must be single layer, note2: interestingly induction will still take place, only it will be weak microwave frequency oscillations) Of course any dual channel scope can easily measure the effectiveness of a delay line section. It would be possible to do this with mechanical switching if you had a delay line of over 200 meters, although it would be difficult. You could tap the power in 2 ways, one is by having the charges spray or arc to another electrode, the other obviously is by capacitive induction, in either case you going to want to surround it by an electrode as Ed Gray uses, not sure why perforation is required/preferred. This is a pretty straight forward Free Energy device, we can calculate it, work it out, run easy tests with oscilloscopes, calculate what kind of voltage we will be dealing with, it's not the mysterious type of Free Energy machine, it's a totally reliable mathematically certain proven Free Energy machine. We can either run it as stated above or instead use the principle of opening a closed circuit, though the frequency will need to be twice as high. One thing not noted above is that once charged, unless it sprays all of it's charges away the transmission line might need to be discharged, indeed in we want we may opt not to use another electrode and merely discharge the high voltage on the transmission line. This is also better in some ways than my favorite of gaining Free Energy from the aether as this is a single effect, it can't be misused. I recommend anyone not sure what to do should work on this, it's a Free Energy effect like no other, we know it's been done before (Tesla, Ed Gray, Swiss ML) and we can calculate it, it's success isn't Dependant on unknowns. (the effect is also clearly present every time you flick a light switch and hear speakers pop, it happens in transmission lines, and best of all it happens every single time) So if you don't know what to do, work on this. Another thing, this effect can also be used to create a unidirectional propulsive force by turning 2 electromagnets on and off in the right way, this has already been patented. Turn on coil 1 and it produces a magnetic field, turn coil 2 on and it is immediately attracted/repelled by the magnetic field of 1, however coil 1 does not instantaneously know that 2 has turned on and so for a moment 2 ir pushed while 1 is not, now once the field from 2 reaches 1, turn it off, it will still take coil 2 some time before it detects detects the field from 1 has changed and it will continue to experience force, if you do it right 1 need not have felt 2 at all. IF infact coil 1 does immediately react to coil 2 being turned on then that is a superluminal reaction, pretty cool (and generally considered impossible), otherwise the only other way this could fail to create a unidirectional force is if coil 1 which no longer has and current flowing through it (it's open circuit) feels a force even though it no longer has a current passing through it and is no longer creating a magnetic field which is kinda crazy. (Indeed if you had a huge coil in space, you could turn the coil off, turn it into scrap and then have a force placed on it, no way) There is a patent on this in the US btw. On 1/31/07, Stiffler Scientific <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
John, a stupid question if I may? If I understand what you are saying, you assume the mag field creates a spatial imprint which remains for some length of time after the magnets are moved? If this is corrected, then while the magnets are moving, do they still retain a field? or is it latent and waiting to catch up? If we were to assume spin was the field generator, how can the lag be explained unless there is some underlying drag? Please ignore me if I just don't get it. -----Original Message----- *From:* John Berry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:50 PM *To:* [email protected] *Subject:* Re: [Vo]: Easy Unidirectional Force, get out your calculators... On 1/31/07, Robin van Spaandonk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In reply to John Berry's message of Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:48:21 +1300: > [snip] > What about the reverse situation. The time it takes for the force from > the > bottom magnet to reach the top magnet? Wouldn't that produce the reverse > effect? > ...and what is supporting the top magnet...I think you need to look at > the > effect on *all* the forces involved before concluding that there is a > net > resultant uni-directional force. I think you misunderstand. Both magnets are held in the attractive position at a fixed distance, glued to each side of a piece of wood if you like. Then we will apply an even constant acceleration force. (or we simply assume gravity is the same as acceleration, shouldn't magnetic fields be bent by gravity if light is?) Now at any moment the magnetic field around the magnet is renewing it's magnetic flux, that is to say if you turn a magnet by 90 degrees this new magnetic field doesn't instantaneously propagate, it takes time. In the same way if I have a magnet which is attracting another magnet, and then I remove this magnet the other magnet must not immediately be aware that the other magnet has been withdrawn (turned off) so it still feels the same force for a period of time. Much the same is happening here, while the magnets are being accelerated together, when the magnetic flux from the bottom magnet gets to the top magnet it doesn't know that the position of the magnet that created it has now changed and has kept pace with the top magnet so it has a weaker field or a field that doesn't extend as far in front of it, so the top magnet is not as much attracted down. However the reverse is true for the field from the top magnet, it can't know the magnet has receded and so it has a more powerful effect of attracting the bottom magnet up the page than it should. This leads to a net force up the page in the direction of acceleration, or against gravity. In repulsion the force would be reversed.
