Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
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>> Michel Jullian wrote:
>> > A wave packet coalescing into a point-like particle when it hits the screen, yes that's about as close to common sense understandability as it can get. Makes one realize the wave aspect of particles is a hard fact.
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>>  > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
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>> Any QM expert can correct any possible errors, but here's how I've understood the double slit. Both slits are open. Before the single photon even emits it must decide which hole it is going to go through. To accomplish this task it is understood that the photon "plays out" the entire process before hand, like some theatrical play. This is called the wave function. So instantly the wave function traverses the path, travels through both slits, and hits the detection screen, and from there decides what path the photon will take. Supposedly the wave function traverses at infinite velocity as if there were no time.
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> Wheeler's delayed choice experiment shows pretty clearly that it doesn't work that way -- you can change the target after the particle is in flight, even after it's "gone through" the slits



To understand my interpretation you need to think in 4-dimensions. What you said clarifies exactly what I said. Again, it appears the idea of the photon traveling through space is invalid. Lets step through the experiment -->

We'll refer to the appearing mirror as D.
1. D is removed. 2a. At t=0 the photon is emitted. 2b. At t=0 there's a wave function for the photon. The wave function spreads out and extends into the *future*. You can think of the future as a dimension.
3a. At t=1 D is activated.
3b. At t=1 there's a wave function for D (for simplicity we'll refer to it as one function). Note, the photons wave function (from step 2b, above) crosses this wave function.
3c. Photons wave functions collapses when it senses D's wave function.
4. At t=2 the photon strikes D.


In a nutshell, the wave function spreads across space, without the time aspect, like tentacles extending out in time. The mirror, D, is also made of matter that has wave functions. Do you understand it now? So the wave functions from both the photon and the mirror decide, by so-called laws of probability, what will take place. What occurs is merely a result of that decision / probability.




> , and change whether you get an interference pattern or not: at the very last femtosecond, replace the screen with a pair of telescopes that let you tell where the flash came from; do this for every particle, and the interference pattern vanishes. This experiment has been done.


And it's in agreement with what I said.




> You can replace the screen with the telescopes just before the particle hits the screen and it has the same effect as replacing it before the particle takes off. If the particle "made up its mind" before it took off, and hence physically traversed one pre-determined slit or the other and arrived at a pre-determined point in space where it "expects" the screen to be, the experiment would not work as it does.


No, you're still thinking in terms of 3-dimensions.




> In any case, if it were to prescan the path as you suggest, information would need to flow from the target to the particle "instantly", which violates the speed limit of C and hence causality in a relativistic universe. I.e., some observers would see the information traveling backwards in time.


The interpretation doesn't work that way. The wave functions (plural) make the decision, like rolling dice. The actual particle does not arrive at its destination faster than c. It's the wave function that instantly spreads, but the wave function is not 3-dimensional physical object.



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Regards,
Paul Lowrance

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