Sure, but then the COP can be calculated from the energy measurements, since both input and output are measured over the same duration.
Michel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer > Many CF researchers like to compare CF cells to a mini nuclear fission > reactor, but instead of fission process providing the "excess" heat, it is a > low temperature fusion process. This is why they tend not to be interested > in power measurements and focus on energy measurements instead. Basically, > this reflects the theoretical bias that cold fusion does not depend on any > LofT violations. Or to put it another way cold fusion is a process which > releases "stored" energy, instead of producing power from "nothing". > > Harry > > Michel Jullian wrote: > >> Since you know them all and for a reason, a link to a CF paper describing a >> COP of the order that ED described (6) would be welcome Jed. TIA >> >> Michel >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer >> >> >>> Edmund Storms wrote: >>> >>>> Excess energy from electrolysis is seldom over unity. Energy in >>>> excess of that applied to the cell is the only important measurement >>>> during such studies. My latest excess energy is about 2.5 W for a >>>> calorimeter with an error of about 25 mW. The cell was not designed >>>> to maximize the efficiency. Therefore, the Power out/Power in ratio >>>> has no meaning. >>> >>> It has no meaning in the sense that it does not predict whether cold >>> fusion can be made practical. It tells us nothing about whether one >>> technique is more promising than another in the long term. However, a >>> high ratio does make the calorimetry easier. That is to say, it is >>> easier to measure 2.5 W with 5 W of electrolysis input than with 35 W >>> input. (The input power is sometimes called the "background," as in >>> "a 5 W background.") It resembles instrument noise in this respect, >>> except that electrolysis input is a deliberate and inescapable part >>> of the experiment. Gas loading and some other methods have no input >>> background power, so they are easier to confirm with a high s/n ratio. >>> >>> - Jed >>> >> >
