----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters
> According to a NASA-JPL team I asked a couple of years BCF (Before Cold > Fusion) > the image charge and resulting force is equal to the charge drawn from the > earth. Never believe what anyone says ;-) > They also stated that a "Jovian Thunderbolt would also likely occur if > enough > charge to lift a craft was transferred from earth ground". This can be worked out using Paschen's law. > > Despite the "higher order" force drop-off the multipole configuration > requires No Net Charge to exert a force in a non-uniform electric field. Sure. > Hence if you are levitated over Coeur D' Alene or possibly the Moon > in your computer-controlled Three-Point Lifter, you have something to > maneuver with. :-) Maneuverability. Good point. Well, you have simulated the concept assuming zero charge mobility, see if it works too assuming full charge mobility: reality is somewhere in between! (closer to the latter I would think, maybe this point could be experimented) Michel > > Fred >> >> [Original Message] >> From: Michel Jullian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Date: 3/17/2007 7:17:25 AM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters >> >> >> > Some do, some don't. >> >> Well, ok :) >> >> > >> > A net negative charge derived from the earth will leave a corresponding >> > image charge. >> >> I am not sure "image charge" is the correct term here (my understanding > is that image charge results precisely from the charge mobility we were > discussing) but indeed it will remove some negative charge, but wouldn't > this be negligible compared to total net negative charge of Earth? Have you > done the calculations? >> >> > >> > Dipole-Multipole configurations exert a net force in non-uniform > electric >> > fields >> > such as the "fair weather Field" that exists between the earth and the >> > ionosphere. >> >> Agreed, but it's a second order term so it's much less than a monopolar > charge of the same amount! >> >> Michel >> >> > >> > Fred >> >> >> >> [Original Message] >> >> From: Michel Jullian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> Date: 3/17/2007 6:50:04 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters >> >> >> >> Right, they don't move quite freely, but nearly. Many people's lives >> > depend on Earth being a pretty bad insulator. >> >> >> >> Why use a globally neutral device BTW, rather than a net negative > charge? >> >> >> >> Michel >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 1:35 PM >> >> Subject: RE: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters >> >> >> >> >> >> > You assume that all charges flow freely. The Electron Affinity for > many >> >> > molecules-materials >> >> > in the earth-earth surface, buildings etc, ranges up to several > electron >> >> > volts. >> >> > >> >> > Fred >> >> >> >> >> >> [Original Message] >> >> >> From: Michel Jullian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> >> Date: 3/17/2007 6:06:03 AM >> >> >> Subject: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters >> >> >> >> >> >> Globally attractive or repulsive ? But again, this doesn't take into >> >> > account the fact that charges flow freely on the Earth surface. Could >> > you >> >> > find no applet where charges can move freely on the surface of >> > conductors? >> >> > Surely there must exist one. >> >> >> >> >> >> Michel >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:06 AM >> >> >> Subject: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > This CalTech Applet shows how a three-point distribution of > positive >> >> > charges >> >> >> > surrounding a negative charge can feel a force from the "~0.5 >> >> > megacoulomb excess negative charge of the earth". >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Induction or Tesla Coils sequencing? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~phys1/java/phys1/EField/EField.html >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > O +1 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > O -3 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > O +1 O +1 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1 >> > (putative >> >> > earth charge) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Have fun. :-) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Fred >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > >
