On Sep 22, 2011, at 5:53 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
Now what happens, when an inventor without deep knowledge and
experience constructs a steam device, makes it unaccessible and
then lets unexperienced scientist measure the steam?
Most scientists expect that devices that they use are properly
constructed and work as designed because they know nothing else.
Some questions for you and other self-appointed experts here:
This remark seems to have some emotional content. DO you know of any
requirement for anyone here on vortex-l to be an expert to comment?
LENR is a multi-discipline field. Anyone who works in the field is
likely out of his area of expertise in multiple areas. Can you
imagine what curriculum requirements will eventually look like for a
PhD candidate in LENR?
How much deep knowledge and experience do you have? How many steam
devices have you constructed? Have you done calorimetry on this scale?
The calorimetry is so uncertain in this case (E&K) we don't even know
what scale it is on. Is it 300 W, 700 W or 4500 W?
Though an amateur, I am not a stranger to calorimetry.
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/BlueAEH.pdf
I have also done boil off experiments. A sample data set from a Zr
electrolysis experiment is appended below. I am intimately familiar
with many kinds of mistakes that can be made because I have made
them. 8^) More importantly though, is I have learned from the
follies and great successes in calorimetry that have unfolded on
sci.physics.fusion and vortex-l. Obviously others who are not, or
were not, experts, such as yourself, have learned much too, by doing
and discussing.
What do you know about Galantini's background and his previous work?
The criticism lies with using an RH meter to determine steam quality,
does it not? The criticism lies with overlooking the possibility of
unmeasured water that pours out of the device. Do credentials
matter? What really maters is fixing the problems.
Frankly I wish these issues would go away. They are past losses of
opportunity. They are too personal. My hope is that discussion will
improve things and iron clad calorimetry will be performed. In my
opinion, we still do not know if Rossi is on to something or not.
This is a tragedy of great proportions. If there is a real effect of
any magnitude, then a scientific discovery of huge import is
unnecessarily delayed. If it is a fluke, then the LENR field itself,
everyone endeavoring or wishing to endeavor in it, even academically,
will suffer a major setback.
The really sad part is even an amateur level of effort could improve
or could have improved the calorimetry immensely. The problem now
may be that financial issues
You are presumptuous.
Speaking strictly for myself, I think I am justifiably concerned that
so much time has passed with so little action and so many words with
regards to making accurate measurements. It does not take much in
the way of expertise to observe that.
- Jed
Time V rms I rms Temp. C P in P out Tare Amb.
Vol. t
0 293 0.1210 100.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 25.03
418.0 0
2 293 0.1210 100.00 35.10 -0.38 9.15 25.03
418.0 2
4 302 0.0984 100.00 32.26 13.71 9.16 24.85
417.3 2
6 306 0.0860 100.00 27.74 13.71 9.18 24.70
416.5 2
8 309 0.0781 100.00 24.97 13.71 9.19 24.59
415.8 2
10 311 0.0716 100.00 22.97 13.71 9.21 24.49
415.1 2
12 312 0.0683 100.00 21.57 13.71 9.22 24.44
414.4 2
14 312 0.0636 100.00 20.37 13.71 9.22 24.38
413.6 2
16 312 0.0606 100.00 19.18 13.71 9.23 24.33
412.9 2
18 314 0.0588 100.00 18.50 13.71 9.23 24.28
412.2 2
20 315 0.0571 100.00 18.04 13.71 9.24 24.26
411.5 2
21 421 0.2110 100.00 52.87 27.42 9.25 24.15
410.7 1
22 423 0.2050 100.00 86.90 27.42 9.25 24.13
410.0 1
24 418 0.2190 100.00 88.24 83.24 9.26 24.08
405.6 2
26 419 0.2170 100.00 90.32 83.24 9.26 24.09
401.2 2
28 422 0.2100 100.00 88.87 83.24 9.26 24.07
396.8 2
30 424 0.2040 100.00 86.68 83.24 9.27 24.00
392.3 2
32 425 0.2000 100.00 84.89 83.24 9.26 24.24
387.9 2
34 425 0.2000 100.00 84.15 83.24 9.23 24.41
383.5 2
36 424 0.2010 100.00 84.26 83.24 9.21 24.58
379.1 2
38 424 0.2040 100.00 85.00 83.24 9.29 23.16
374.7 2
40 423 0.2090 100.00 86.58 83.24 9.37 23.16
370.3 2
42 421 0.2150 100.00 88.57 83.24 9.37 23.16
365.8 2
44 418 0.2180 100.00 89.91 83.24 9.37 23.16
361.4 2
46 418 0.2220 100.00 91.04 83.24 9.37 23.16
357.0 2
48 416 0.2240 100.00 92.06 83.24 9.37 23.16
352.6 2
50 416 0.2270 100.00 92.87 83.24 9.37 23.16
348.2 2
52 414 0.2300 100.00 93.88 83.24 9.37 23.16
343.8 2
Corrected "P out" and energies follows:
P in P out Tare Amb. Vol. t Cor COP E
in E out
P out
joules joules
0.00 0.00 0.00 25.03 418.0 0 0 0.00
0 0
35.10 -0.38 9.15 25.03 418.0 2 8.77 0.25
4212 1052
32.26 13.71 9.16 24.85 417.3 2 22.87 0.71
8083 3796
27.74 13.71 9.18 24.70 416.5 2 22.89 0.83
11411 6543
24.97 13.71 9.19 24.59 415.8 2 22.90 0.92
14408 9291
22.97 13.71 9.21 24.49 415.1 2 22.92 1.00
17164 12041
21.57 13.71 9.22 24.44 414.4 2 22.92 1.06
19753 14792
20.37 13.71 9.22 24.38 413.6 2 22.93 1.13
22197 17543
19.18 13.71 9.23 24.33 412.9 2 22.94 1.20
24499 20296
18.50 13.71 9.23 24.28 412.2 2 22.94 1.24
26719 23049
18.04 13.71 9.24 24.26 411.5 2 22.95 1.27
28884 25803
52.87 27.42 9.25 24.15 410.7 1 36.67 0.69
32056 28003
86.90 27.42 9.25 24.13 410.0 1 36.67 0.42
37270 30203
88.24 83.24 9.26 24.08 405.6 2 92.50 1.05
47858 41303
90.32 83.24 9.26 24.09 401.2 2 92.50 1.02
58697 52404
88.87 83.24 9.26 24.07 396.8 2 92.50 1.04
69362 63504
86.68 83.24 9.27 24.00 392.3 2 92.51 1.07
79764 74605
84.89 83.24 9.26 24.24 387.9 2 92.50 1.09
89950 85705
84.15 83.24 9.23 24.41 383.5 2 92.47 1.10
100048 96802
84.26 83.24 9.21 24.58 379.1 2 92.45 1.10
110160 107897
85.00 83.24 9.29 23.16 374.7 2 92.53 1.09
120360 119000
86.58 83.24 9.37 23.16 370.3 2 92.62 1.07
130749 130114
88.57 83.24 9.37 23.16 365.8 2 92.62 1.05
141377 141228
89.91 83.24 9.37 23.16 361.4 2 92.62 1.03
152166 152342
91.04 83.24 9.37 23.16 357.0 2 92.62 1.02
163091 163456
92.06 83.24 9.37 23.16 352.6 2 92.62 1.01
174139 174570
92.87 83.24 9.37 23.16 348.2 2 92.62 1.00
185283 185684
93.88 83.24 9.37 23.16 343.8 2 92.62 0.99
196548 196798
1.00
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
