Mary, it is quite unfortunate that he does not want to share additional information concerning his model. This is just the sort of model that is needed to determine whether or not it is possible to replicate Rossi results with heat storage. I am trying to keep an open mind as much as possible in this case and really would like to proceed with more details. Please discuss this with the guy and let me know if he really wants to find the truth. I can only assume that he is hiding something if he runs like this when asked probing questions. I have many more items to compare.
It might be possible that I am reading your friends output in an erroneous manner. I thought that he had a direct model of the temperature at T2 just as with the real ECAT. Why would we not compare these two curves if they are available? This is more like comparing apples with apples versus some other parameter. Does he in fact calculate the water temperature or did I miss something? By the way, it is nonsense to suggest that this is like showing that Santa does not exist. I am maintaining an open mind regarding whether or not Rossi is real in this case and it would be a crime to assume otherwise. I seek the truth only. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Mary Yugo <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Dec 24, 2011 4:46 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 8:06 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: It is certainly true that the peak occurs in a region that immediately follows the highest temperature obtained within the heat storage medium. The part that is anomalous is the fact that the bump I referred to at 16:00 is of relatively short duration while the temperature fall off curve from the model storage medium is broad and slow in nature. I would expect the overpressure additions to be broad to match this shape if due to the stored heat. The LENR explanation would be short in duration as is seen in the data. We should be happy that The LENR heating is demonstrated by this short duration bump as we have all been seeking. Your source should make further attempts to duplicate this shape if we are to be convinced that heat storage can achieve the identical results as LENR heating. The reply: ========================== "Dave compared the curve T2(mis) with the curve T_S of the screen S. That’s not correct. He should compare the T2(mis) with the efflux of steam Q_Vvap -- they show a quite similar bump. The curve Q_Vvap depends on the trends T_A, T_B and T_R, ie the temperature of the 3 components that supply heat to the water and that in turn receive it from the internal screen S. The curve Q_Vvap has a peak of about 0.7 g / s of dry steam, which means a volumetric flow rate well over 1L / s, whose passage through the valve V causes an overpressure at the outlet, which must be overcome by increasing the saturation pressure and hence the boiling temperature. This cause the bump in the T2(mis) curve. I think that Harry should make some further efforts to try to better understand the thermodynamics of such a simple model, in order to better figure out how the ecat really "works." " ========================== Please note that this is the last relay I am going to do. My informant said he thinks that showing people what Rossi is most likely really doing and doing that on Vortex, at least for some of the participants, is like telling small children that Santa Claus doesn't exist. LOL. PS: his words -- not mine. But feel free to shoot the messenger if it makes you feel any better. -----Original Message----- From: Mary Yugo <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Dec 24, 2011 4:46 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 8:06 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: It is certainly true that the peak occurs in a region that immediately follows the highest temperature obtained within the heat storage medium. The part that is anomalous is the fact that the bump I referred to at 16:00 is of relatively short duration while the temperature fall off curve from the model storage medium is broad and slow in nature. I would expect the overpressure additions to be broad to match this shape if due to the stored heat. The LENR explanation would be short in duration as is seen in the data. We should be happy that The LENR heating is demonstrated by this short duration bump as we have all been seeking. Your source should make further attempts to duplicate this shape if we are to be convinced that heat storage can achieve the identical results as LENR heating. The reply: ========================== "Dave compared the curve T2(mis) with the curve T_S of the screen S. That’s not correct. He should compare the T2(mis) with the efflux of steam Q_Vvap -- they show a quite similar bump. The curve Q_Vvap depends on the trends T_A, T_B and T_R, ie the temperature of the 3 components that supply heat to the water and that in turn receive it from the internal screen S. The curve Q_Vvap has a peak of about 0.7 g / s of dry steam, which means a volumetric flow rate well over 1L / s, whose passage through the valve V causes an overpressure at the outlet, which must be overcome by increasing the saturation pressure and hence the boiling temperature. This cause the bump in the T2(mis) curve. I think that Harry should make some further efforts to try to better understand the thermodynamics of such a simple model, in order to better figure out how the ecat really "works." " ========================== Please note that this is the last relay I am going to do. My informant said he thinks that showing people what Rossi is most likely really doing and doing that on Vortex, at least for some of the participants, is like telling small children that Santa Claus doesn't exist. LOL. PS: his words -- not mine. But feel free to shoot the messenger if it makes you feel any better.
