Heard you got a question into the program. Well down.
I think Rossi is dead right on the pricing structure. This way he will
make it very difficult for another FPE device to get into HIS market. If
he sells at a higher price then there is enough fat to allow another
competitor to recover their costs. Rossi has the high ground and will
ensure no one will overtake his position.
By the time others get their hands on his product and reverse
engineering them, he will have recovered ALL his costs and can drop his
price even further, while still making a very nice profit. If I was a
Rossi shareholder I would be very pleased with his approach. He plays to
be the last and only man standing.
On the "Energy Stick" I see this as a dual screw in action, which
initially seals the stick and then opens it to the internal H2 supply
that is probably in hydride storage. It would be VERY low cost to
manufacture. I really doubt there is a profit in recycling them other
than in the publicity that they are recycled.
As for the RFG, yes apparently it is used to control the reaction once
the external heater is switched off. As Rossi says, it enables the
Coulomb force to work with the reaction as in Martial Arts where you use
the opponents strength against him.
Here we see a differing between Rossi and DFG. DFG use multiple small
reactors (no RFG) that they apparently individually switch off and on to
control output, while Rossi uses his RFG to control the output from a
single reactor while it is running in self sustain mode. The RFG system
seemed to work well during the earlier E-Cat self sustain mode tests but
there was not a dynamically varying load being applied, so how capable
it is in handling time varying loads is still to be seen.
A simple way to do domestic hot water is to put a heat exchanger into
the home hot water storage tank and then have a control system to
regulate the amount of hot heat exchanger fluid that flows into the hot
water storage tank's heat exchanger.
Give me a 10 kW home E-Cat and I'll have it producing hot air into the
home ducted system and hot "Sanitary water" as Rossi calls it in short
order. Not many Aussie homes with hot water radiators, so we don't need
that option here. Well maybe in Melbourne and Tasmania they will need
it. Ha Ha cold southerners.
On 1/15/2012 9:33 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote:
Thanks for this much more detailed summary! I was being too tired when
I wrote mine... Should have waited over night.
Some thoughts of mine on the interview and Rossis statements:
The thing which interests me (also in the context of the probable
"quiescence" problem as mentioned by Jones Beene) is the reactor
control via regulation of operational heat point. How could he do
this? He needs a way of a) increasing as well as b) decreasing the
reactor temperature. Increasing is simple: Power the heat resistance
But as soon as the reaction starts, how can he cool it down? From what
I know about the reactor, there is the possibility of regulating the
amount and pressure of H. However (as this seems to be a cartridge)
there must be some way of releasing and again storing the H. What kind
of cheap, reliable and fast mechanic would allow to add H to the
reactor and, if the heat is too high, release some of the H (which, I
think, must be again stored somewhere)? Or could he just deliver the
cartridge with so much H that it will be enough in any case for a 6
Or perhaps is this the mysterious RF generator which helps regulating
the reaction? As far as I remember Defkalion, they state that the
Hyperions can not be regulated and they are also missing a RF
generator. Rossi states in the interview (when asked about the RF
generator) that the "forces that basically should fight against us,
and I mean the coulomb force, are used to help us." He after that
again states that what theoretically should be to their disadvantages
they have turned to their advantages. I (as an amateur) could
interpret this as in order to decrease high temperatures we 'increase'
the coulomb force (and therefore lowering the reaction) using the RF
generator... ? But this is wild speculation from my side...
Another point that I am currently thinking about is Rossis older
statement regarding the fact that first generation Ecats should be
upgradeable in order to produce electric heat. From the picture that I
currently get, this is either
a) an old statement and not valid anymore
b) upgrade the control software and buy a new cartridge which is
capable of delivering enough heat
The "Energy Sticks" or Cartridges are perhaps not sold (in the sense
that the buyer owns the thing) but leased to the customer (because of
the low price and the recycling back at the factory).
Further, if I was an investor in Rossi, I would scream out loud
because of the low prices which he is promoting... 500$, if he is
first on the market with this revolutionary technology? I mean sure,
this could be a simple device and easy to produce (and Rossi says,
"the technology must be for all"), but then at least charge some more
for an "Energy Stick" than just 10 bucks... I don't know of any
historical example where a new and revolutionary technology hasn't
been introduced without a proper price tag. He can start with a higher
price and if there comes a similar product from a competitor, he can
still lower the Ecat price...
We will see, time will tell... If he really wants to mass-produce the
Ecats he should really have solved all important problems else he will
need lots and lots of lawyers... ;)
P.S.: Another point from the interview:
"This effect has now been understood very well and theory will be
presented soon", when talking about the H-Ni reaction
What I learned from the interview.
10 kW home E-Cat is the size of a portable computer.
Rossi calls the recharges "Energy Sticks", fits with the ball point
pen refill statement.
Replacement is simple and can be done by anyone.
No H2 canisters used. Reactor stores and recycles the H2. Only uses
picograms of H2.
Reactor control is via regulation of operational heat point.
Fuel lasts 4,320 operational hours (180 days at 24 hours a day).
E-Cat will signal when refill is needed.
Customer can purchase several refills and keep them in stock.
Cost of the refill to the customer will be $10 plus installation if
Will be available via internet sales.
Home units will run in self sustain mode.
512 keV 180 deg Gammas have been detected.
1st 1 MW plant is in modification. Should be operation in 1 - 2 months.
12 additional 1 MW plants are being built.
1 additional 1 MW plant has been sold to another customer.
UL certification of the home E-Cat is in process.
2.7 to 2.9 kWs needed for 1 hour to start the home 10 kW E-Cat.
Home E-Cat has only 1 reactor.
Rossi claims the RFG helps the Coulomb barrier work with the reaction
and not against it.
First E-Cat factory is in Florida. Rossi is going to Massachusetts to
further discuss building another E-Cat plant there.
Home E-Cat production will start in the US fall. Sales will start in
the US winter.
Rossi is not interested in family investors as the business is still
Large hedge funds are welcome but only with a small % investment.
Does plan to go public.
Home E-Cat has a 30 year expected life.
Customer price between $400 to $500 for a home E-Cat 10 kW thermal unit.
On 1/15/2012 10:29 AM, Wolf Fischer wrote:
Rossi was just on the Smart Scarecrow Show. There were some new
information / clarification (although I can't remember them all; the
information below should be correct however I sometimes had problems
understanding Rossi because of a pretty low audio quality and me not
being a native English speaker):
1. He sold another 1MW reactor (in addition to the 13 which have
already been sold), but many potential customers are in line...
2. Production should start in autumn, distribution in winter (if
everything works out as planned)
3. He wants to sell one million Ecats next year (this is what they
are aiming for in a complete year regarding production)
4. Price of the Home Ecat is down to 500$
5. Ecat is thought for heating the home, not for heating the water
for showering etc.
6. Refueling the Ecat is done by replacing a cartridge. This
cartridge will cost around 10$ and will then be sent back to a
factory where it will be recycled.
7. The testing of the Ecat through the University of Bologna is
currently not at the top of his priority list (there is currently
the engineering of the production facilities) but he said something
about starting with this next month
8. I wanted to know something about the stability of the reactor (I
was referring to the uptime of the reactor, however Sterling
shortened the question). According to Rossi, especially the
temperature output was stabilized with the help of NI (at least this
is what I understood).
9. On patenting - his lawyers are working on that.
10. Regarding the radio frequency generator: He didn't want to
reveal anything. He compared this to Martial Arts and said something
about that it is important for overcoming the coulomb barrier.
11. If I understood him correctly (If!), while explaining the
working mechanism of the reactor core, he said that in the reaction
gamma rays will be emitted, then hit a lead shielding which then
will heat up and therefore heat the water.
12. The first question regarding the first customer was (of course)
not answered because of an NDA
This is what I did just remember from 1:30h... There will surely be
a transcript available soon.