Mark, You're right, ofcourse, and maybe I just overreacted.
Just summarized my argument in a personal mail to Eric, which I reproduce here: ************************************ Eric, basically I think that LENR needs some crystalline structure of the base-material (Ni, Pd,...) to start and be maintained. This structure weakens with increasing temperature. If the material melts, the process stops. This we know. Now the process is not homogenous, but seems to concentrate on hot spots. wrt this I refer to the electron microscopic analysis of material which has been active for some time, where the material definitely melted at those spots. Now 600degC would not be a problem, because the melting point of eg Ni is far above above that. It even could be a positive thing, because of recrystallization-effects. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recrystallization_(metallurgy) So my argument critically depends on the inhomogeneity of the process. If eg 10% of the material (I expect much less at a given time) is active, for the whole system to produce an average temperature of 600degC, these active zones would have to be MUCH hotter than that, basically surpassing the melting point, which stops the process. So another zone has to take over. Upon further thinking, this actually could be the case, under some very special conditions, ie one zone melts, then recrystallizes, later on becomes active again. But this critically depends on the zones being quite small -- sub-micrometer -- AND maintaining enough surface for H+ or D+ to enter the crystal again. Here lies my difficulty. But maybe I'm wrong. So maybe I should restate: I would be VERY SURPRISED. Anyway, lets hope the best, expect the worst. Guenter ************************************************ ________________________________ Von: MarkI-ZeroPoint <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: 1:23 Sonntag, 8.Juli 2012 Betreff: RE: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations So Guenter, Why would seriously challenging you worldview worry you? Wouldn’t you prefer the truth, even if it completely decimates your worldview? As a scientist/engineer, I want to know what *IS*, not what happens to agree with my current understanding of what is… -Mark From:Guenter Wildgruber [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 3:50 PM To: Peter Gluck Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations Peter, somehow I missed that. Anyway. 200 degC would be quite something. 400degC would be disruptive. >600degC earth-shattering. A range where I am having some conceptual difficulties with. Presumably theory also. But this is commonsensical extrapolation from my side,without any firm ground, I must confess. As stated, such a simple parameter like temperature could seriously challenge my worldview, which worries me somehow, but I do not reject it out of hand. We will see. all the best Guenter ________________________________ Von:Peter Gluck <[email protected]> An: Guenter Wildgruber <[email protected]> CC: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Gesendet: 20:27 Samstag, 7.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations Dear Guenter, Nothing easier- if you make a Google Search for "Defkalion 650C" or a search on their Forum for 650C you will find tens of links. It was also written at Mats's Nyteknik. An example from many: Real news from Defkalion « nickelpower nickelpower.org/2012/03/26/real-news-from-defkalion/ 26 Mar 2012 – Rossi is a “one-man-band” and Defkalion has 27 scientists. .... they say that they reactor work until 650C (limit of bare rector test) and according . I had a cognitive shock- what they have is a process different from Piantelli's based on preformed nanoclusters. Those clusters are destroyed fast over 400C. There are many implications but I don't think we have to change our world/science views. And now Rossi re-discovers this high temperature process. Progress! Peter On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Guenter Wildgruber <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Peter, obviously I missed this one, Could You provide a link? The temperature issue obviously is a very central one, and, I must confess, contradicts my theories of the inner working of the e-cat/Hyperion, which is somewhat like a random heating up on several locations. If this would be the case , those random heat-centers (estimated >>1000degC) would be self-annihilate by melting. Ofcourse we are theoretizing on this issue, but controllability in the 650degC domain would indicate that the process is quite homogenous, and not sporadicly dispersed over say 1-10 um2 heat centers- as I up to now hypothesized, on hopefully realistic grounds. But maybe this is only my worldview, which crumbles. If this would be the case, it would indicate that this is a VERY benign process, and, I must confess, I would -as said- have to rework my entire worldview, which is based on randomness and the universe's indifference to our human desires at large. (hope this is understandable) I am not ready for that. Therefore I remain sceptical. LENR: Yes. Saving us from our follies - or extending them: No. All the best Guenter ________________________________ Von:Peter Gluck <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Gesendet: 15:19 Samstag, 7.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations Dear Axil I agree- however DGTG started to speak about temperatures over 650 C from February this year, so if somebody has invented LENR ++- it was Defkalion. peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
