At 05:37 PM 8/20/2012, Craig Brown wrote:
The most fundamental question is of the power figures being claimed. Neither Rossi nor Defkalion have yet produced an independent test / report from a reputable third party organisation so far despite assurances that this would occur by now.

Personally, I think they need to address the elephant in the room before we get into the minutia.

As long as they have sufficient capital, they don't "need" to do anything. They have no obligation to satisfy our curiosity.

Look, Rossi or anyone with an NiH device that is close to commercialization could make a profit, while preserving their intellectual property -- patenting it -- by selling a demonstration device. Doesn't have to be truly reliable -- i.e., stable. Doesn't have to produce spectacular power, just measurable power. Quite simply, it must demonstrate the effect. People would line up to buy it, and it wouldn't even need to be particularly cheap.

They don't do that, because they are holding on to secrets, perhaps because they are not really secrets, they aren't patentable. It's also possible that they don't have such a device, they are "working on it."

Until we know, *we don't know.*

Many people, like Jed, have offered to help Rossi run a truly convincing demonstration. He's always declined. *He doesn't want such a demonstration,* it's obvious.

I was fascinated to see Stirling Allen of PESN report that John Rohner is deliberately looking flaky in order to depress attention, because he's not ready for massive attention, i.e., doesn't have stuff (i.e, Papp Engines) ready to ship. He's "getting ready." It appears he is able to convince investors, which means little or nothing; the investors might be smart or stupid. Some stupid people are rich. Some smart people, also, make mistakes, they take risks which don't always pan out.

Same story, really.


We don't know until we know.

but many of us don't like not knowing. "Besides, he has such an honest face."

Or, in the other direction, "You can see how guilty he looks when the video camera catches him appearing to touch the controls."

The real and apparent story here, at this point, is about people.

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