From: Jojo Jaro
If I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that p +
p would result in 2He, which would would quickly decay back to p and p
again, resulting in net energy loss.
Not exactly. Most of the di-protons in the short time they exist as 2He
decay back almost instantly, true - but the rare times that this nucleus
does undergo beta decay into deuterium - that provides the needed raw
material (deuterium) for extremely energetic reactions that follow, ending
in 4He.
First question, are we certain of this. Could our
understanding of Stellar reactions simply be faulty and we do not really
have a complete picture of what's going on in the Sun.
Not this is the current standard model. It is just poorly understood by
those who want to shoehorn a particular reaction into a space where it
doesn't fit very well.
Has this reaction rate been seen experimentally seen and
verified, or is this just a theory.
Seen and verified
It seems to me that 2He being a Noble gas would be stable
and not decay back to 2 H+ ions.
Two protons without a neutron have negative binding energy. Note do not
confuse 2He with 3He or 4He - the last two being stable helium
If what you are saying is true, wouldn't all our helium
simply spontaneously fission back to H+ ions, ergo, we wouldn't see any
Helium in the atmosphere.
No, helium normally has at least one neutron, and is stable. With two
neutrons, as 4He it is extremely stable.
Second question, if this reaction is implausible as you
suggest due to rapid decay of 2He back to 2 H+, is there any other
possible
reactions that would benefit from charge screening afforded by the
nanohorn
NAE. Boron gas??? instead of H2 gas? Boron and H2 mixed gas?
Deuterium and tritium as raw materials should work.
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From: Jojo Jaro
PS: On a different note, what would a p + p
fusion reaction look like. I have designed a new reactor with a view
sight
glass, hopefully, I'll see some fusion reactions taking place.
This is where the problem arises. Sadly, you will probably
never see it, even if you look until you are as old as I am.
This reaction cannot happen above background rates on earth,
or outside of extreme acceleration gradients, such as in a mile long
beam-line. Even on the sun, it is seldom gainful. It is a two step
reaction
and the gain does not come from fusion at all - but from the subsequent
beta
decay of the metastable fused helium (2He) into deuterium. Most of the
time,
essentially all of the time - the reaction will NOT proceed to deuterium
since the initial helium-2 nucleus will revert back to two protons and a
slight net loss.
Even on the sun, there is only one successful beta decay per
every 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 fusion events :-) (or else the sun
would
have run out of fuel early on) ... and there is doubt among experts that
there is net gain in this reaction at all, even on the sun, considering
the
rarity of the beta decay and the elastic scattering.
Again - just so we are clear, gain in PP reactions depends
completely on the secondary beta decay of the initial helium-2 nucleus,
and
this is extraordinarily rare. It is QM and not thermonuclear. You will
never
see it in LENR, unless of course, there is a novel version of it which is
precisely the proverbial second or third miracle in LENR (over and above
the
excess heat and lack of gamma radiation).
But if multiple miracles are required, in addition to excess
heat - you might as well stick with Gremlins :-)
Jones
BTW as for transmutation products - these are mundane in
many situations. Roy Hammack spent a lifetime documenting transmutation
under power lines (always happens) lightning strikes and even in neon
light
electrodes. The point being that transmutation alone means little more
than
that an electron arc was present.
If you want to show the heat came from the transmutation -
that is a far different story, and Piantelli or no one else has come close
to a correlation of the heat radiated to the tiny amount of transmutation.
