It makes me sick every time I hear or read, that
until "Cold Fusion" delivers a useable product it
is still the illusion of buffoons. The Atom Bomb
was just a theory until that moment in Nevada
when Trinity lit up the sky and a strange new
world was born. How much time, energy and money
was spent, from the moment some one saw the
possibility that nuclear fission could create a
massive release of energy, until that moment in
the desert? Literally billions of dollars and
hundreds of thousands (millions?) of man hours of
research and production, until the theory became
"Real". If only we could see past our prejudices,
and spend a small amount of that human capital on
the production of LENR (or whatever) this world could truely be new again.
Robert Dorr
At 07:43 AM 10/27/2012, you wrote:
More blather, confusion and insults from Gibbs.
He cites a paper from that nitwit know-it-all
Shanahan, the universal expert who thinks he
knows more about tritium than the PPPL, more
about calorimetry than Storms, Duncan or
McKubre, and -- in short -- more about anything then everyone else combined.
He cites this paper from Shanahan:
<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3d7yWtb1doPc3otVGFUNDZKUDQ/edit>https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3d7yWtb1doPc3otVGFUNDZKUDQ/edit
My responses, posted at NewWorkWorld, are below.
- Jed
Gibbs writes: "That really underlines what the
difference is between cold fusion fan boys and
completely believe in its existence, and those
who remain skeptical and demand proof in the
form of useful technology, by which I mean a
technology that delivers real, valuable commercial results."
Useful technology is not and never has been a
valid scientific criterion to prove the
existence of an effect. There are countless
scientific effects and phenomena that have no
practical use, yet which everyone agrees exist.
Examples include high temperature
superconductivity and supernova explosions. Many
effects, such as electricity, had no practical
use for decades after they were discovered.
Nuclear fission was discovered in the 1890s but
it had no practical use until 1945.
Semiconductor research began in the 1920s but
did not produce any useful results until 1949.
Gibbs' arguments make no sense. Furthermore, he
calls distinguished scientists "fanboys" which is an outrageous insult.
Shanahan's conclusions are completely
unjustified. He thinks that his opinion -- mere
opinion -- automatically overrules rigorously
peer-reviewed experimental results published in
major journals. Results obtained by hundreds of
distinguished experts from Los Alamos, BARC, the
Princeton Plasma Fusion Lab and other
world-class labs. Despite his ego, Shanahan does
not know better than these people. The "reasons"
given in his paper would never pass peer-review.
Cold fusion has been replicated thousands of
times in hundreds of major laboratories. Here is
the latest irrefutable result, from the Naval Research Laboratory:
<http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/D.>http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/D...
Anomalous Results in Fleischmann-Pons Type Electrochemical Experiments
Conclusions:
* Large excess power (⥠1kJ) events generated in 5% of Pd90Rh10 cathodes
* Failed to disprove these results --> excess
heat results observed at NRL are real!
Cells produced 40 times more output than input,
and the heat far exceeded the limits of chemistry.
Gibbs' demand that researchers produce practical
devices is unfair and unrealistic given the lack
of funding and the academic politics.
