At 02:37 PM 12/7/2012, you wrote:

As I've always said. Insults from me stop the
moment insults do not come my way.
He's said that, it's part of his "don't you dare mess with me" approach.
Below, I examine the history here to see if Jojo
actually does stop as he claims. He doesn't.
Instead, he re-introduces conflict, repeatedly,
and appears to be trolling for it.
Here, the exchange started with discusson of
global warming, which is of marginal relevance
for this list, but falls within the kind of
chit-chat that is not considered *too* offensive.
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg73501.html
Daniel Rocha, in the above post, noted the
appearance of Jojo Jaro in the discussion. His
comment, not the soul of propriety, but mildly
sarcastic, quoted Jojo Jaro. Jojo had, in this
appearance -- the post is quoted by Daniel --,
gone beyond limits in attacking Jed Rothwell.
Jojo had been absent from the list for almost a
month, and his last previous post, November 6, is
cited below because it does continue the "moon
god" conflict. At the end of that post, he says,
"PS, don't bother banning me. I would have
unsubscibed when you get to it." So he appears to
have expected to be banned right then.... But it seems he was not.
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg73485.html
Jojo began, Dec. 4, with a senseless attack on
old mild sarcasm from Jed Rothwell, from a month
before. He then posted the comment to which Daniel had replied.
Jojo responded immediately to Daniel's post:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg73502.html
Typical Jojo Jaro. Mild insult (Daniel
effectively referred to Jojo as a "bible
fanatic") receives a deeply and personally insulting response.
I responded to Daniel Rocha's post. I
deliberately did not include Jojo Jaro's name,
nor his quoted post, and nothing in my post could
be read as an insult. If I don't want to read
someone's postings, and I put them in a kill
file, this is not an insult. It certainly is not
an attack. I was simply suggesting that if one
doesn't like reading someone's posts, quoting
them in their entirety, with no specific relevant
content, was not necessarily considerate.
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg73539.html
was dated December 4, and it contained no insult
of Jojo. I had made *no* reference to Jojo since
my "Final response" dated August 19, linked
below, and this was still not a direct reference,
but I see that I inadvertently left his email
address in place.... I'd thought I didn't do that ....
Daniel eventually responded with a suggestion
that it would be easier to ban him.....
Jojo responded with this, December 4:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg73556.html
That post included his "moon god" and "muhammad
had dozens of wives" tropes. This was irrelevant
to *any* of the discussion. It's pure trolling.
No, by now Jojo knew I might be watching the
thread. So, it's obvious. He tossed in material
that he thought would be offensive to me as a
Muslim. Actually, it was just silly. I've debated
Islam/Christianity issues for something like
fifteen years. I formed friendships with some
very strong and well-known Christian apologists,
who sometimes wrote what could be read as attacks
on Islam. I've met them in person, often found
common ground, and met one fellow, had dinner
with his family, who had converted from Islam to
Christianity, long story. I have no problem with interfaith dialog.
But Jojo Jaro is not like these people. He's an
attack dog, after anyone who "insults" him. He
does not behave like a real Christian, as others
have pointed out. Indeed, his positions are so
"strong" that it's easy to suspect he's simply
looking for a rise out of people.
And real trolls very properly get banned, because
"ignore them" doesn't work, long-term. A real
troll will search for people's vulnerabilities,
and attack them. Newcomers will be suckered into
engaging in dialog, sometimes wasting hours upon
hours in research, imagining that simply
informing this person of facts will quiet things.
It won't. Jojo pays no attention to fact, when
he's got a position he is pushing.
He made blatant errors in his comments in what
proceeded, and never acknowledges them. He lies
about what others have said to him, or interprets
it to mean the opposite of what they actually wrote.
It was almost four months ago when I set a filter
for Jojo's posts to Vortex, to lessen my
temptation to respond to him. However, I do also
read my Vortex mail on my i-Phone, and that is
not filtered. I noticed some of his posts that kept up his drumbeat.
I'm looking here only at where I might consider
Jojo Jaro's trolling to be directed at me. In
fact, he triggers distracting responses from
many, which I saw reviewing his comments, he's
pushing all kinds of buttons, not just about
religion. Here I am only looking at this claim of
his that he stops when others stop, by looking at a specific example, me.
This was my "Final Response to Jojo Jaro," dated Aug 19, 2012:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg69553.html
I explicitly stated my intention to give him the
"last word," in response to his prior violated
promise to let me have the "last word." I did not
again mention Jojo Jaro until the interchange above.
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg69783.html
-- August 21, 2012 by Jojo Jaro -- was a
gratuitous attack on my writing and history. The
post Jojo cited was not about him, at all. So,
let's say, I let Jojo have the "last word," which was my intention.
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg69814.html
--August 22, 2012 by Jojo Jaro, continued sarcastic attack.
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg72742.html
-- November 6, 2012 by Jojo Jaro, refers again to
"allah" as a "moon god," and says that if he's
banned, he will already have unsubscribed. He
does apparently expect to be eventually banned,
which, to him, will be a victory, proving that
vortex is under "mob rule." His post was a
response to a list member complaining Jojo's
comment about "godless moon god worshippers", as
"anti-Islamic," in another post dated that same
day. In true troll fashion, Jojo points out that
the member misquoted him (in a misquote that was
really irrelevant, i.e., Jojo had actually
written what I quoted above, but the member
complained about "godless moon worshippers.")
And then his post of December 4, linked above, went into much more detail.
So even when I was not at all interacting with
him, he kept up his "counterattack."
