What is the worst case scenario if there is a problem and we don't do
anything about it?
What is the worst case scenario if there isn't and we do something about it?

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> wrote:

> **
> Randy,
>
> It seems to me that before we institute measures to correct a "problem",
> we must first make "sure" there is a problem.  Taking steps to correct a
> non-existent problem is irresponsible considering that such steps would
> cause a whole new set of problems.  We should not take DRACONIAN measures
> to correct a "possibility".  This is pure speculation and wholly
> irresponsible.  Settle the science first and do not cram it down people's
> throats.
>
> I'm all for clean energy and I am gradually weaning my farm from raghead
> oil by converting more and more of my needs to solar, wind and biogas.
> That is also why I'm big into cold fusion and doing my own research into
> it.  However, such measures should not be forced down people's throats by
> some global agenda.  They should be adopted as market forces make them
> viable and financial tenable.  As you will find, when you give people a
> choice, people will adopt the more sensible solution.  I just despise big,
> overreaching, communistic/socialist and fascist world governments telling
> you what to do to promote their "Environmental Worshipping" agenda.
>
> That is my stand on it, and it has nothing to do with being conservative
> or not, it's just common sense.
>
>
> Jojo
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Randy wuller <[email protected]>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:54 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:New Data "Worrying" 2000 climatologists about Global
> Warming ....
>
> Jojo:
>
> I don't understand your passionate position on this issue.  Given some
> evidence either way, the only logical position is one of caution.  If there
> is a possibility mankind can change the climate on this planet, it seems to
> me we should take some care to avoid that alternative unless there is no
> doubt about what our meddling will change and it is harmless.
> It is the conservative thing to do, yet, it seems most conservatives feel
> differently.  It is a puzzle to me.
>
> Ransom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jojo Jaro <[email protected]>
> *To:* Vortex-l <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 17, 2012 1:22 PM
> *Subject:* [Vo]:New Data "Worrying" 2000 climatologists about Global
> Warming ....
>
> Here's some new data that is "worrying" 2000 climatologists about Global
> Warming ....
>
> Obviously, since 2000 of them were right, this new data must be wrong.
>
> This first link shows the rate of ice melting leading to the conclusion
> that Global Warming must be accelerating....???
>
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/28/sea_levels_new_science_climate_change/
>
>
> Then, to confirm it, this 2nd link "definitely" shows that Global warming
> is occuring that is "correlated" to the amount of C02 that man pumps out
> into the atmosphere.... ????
>
>
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/29/wmo_global_temp_figures_2012_doha_ninth_hottest/
>
>
> But, what do I know.  I'm not one of those 2000 climatologists who where
> NOT bribed or threatened in any way.  And since, there's 2000 of them;
> there's only one of me.  They must be right and I am wrong and anybody
> questioning their conclusions must be nuts.  Right Jed?
>
>
>  Hey, if others can violate forum list rules with impunity regarding AGW
> propaganda, I should be able to do the opposite propaganda with impunity...
> right?
>
>
>
>
> Jojo
>
>
> PS:  BTW, I want nothing more than people laying off AGW (or Anti-AGW)
> propaganda from this forum.
>
>
>
>
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