Dave, I honestly respect the amount of thought and consideration you have given to your response. But, let me clarify a few more things with you.
First, I did try what you are saying. I did try to start an off-topic posts regarding a subject matter that seems to be of interest to a lot of people here. After I started the "New Data ....." thread, a few of us were exchanging thoughts and I thoroughly found that enjoyable. Although one individual started a single insult, I actually let that pass and did not retalitate. After telling him to stop insulting me, he did stop and the discussion continued in a civilized manner with no one able to convince the other. That was expected. The point is, it was a civilized exchange of opinions. Exactly what Vortex-L was meant to be, except that the topic was a little off-topic. But then, Lomax started his new round of insults out of the blue. What he posted has absolutely nothing about the "New Data ...." thread, but instead was a renewal of him calling me a troll and a liar and called for my banning. That level of bullying has to be answered with the same level of nastiness. Hence, I started calling his god a moon god, which of course is true, but is quite offensive to muslims; simply because they like to pretend that their god is the same as the universal God of Judaism and Christianity. Of course, that insult involve identifying his great prophet as a sexual pervert with dozens of wives and a child molester molesting a 9 year old little girl barely out of diapers. All of which is true. No lies, just truth intended to insult. Most muslims find these truths embarassing, so I used these to retaliate. Everyone can see that and it did have the intended effect on Lomax. He was insulted. Of course he was, it was intended to be more an insult than an openning of the discussion about religion. Mind you, this was intended to be a response to his blatant insult out of the blue. And the rest is what you see here in this thread. Of course, this all stated a long time ago when he and a couple of other bullies here started their round of insults, when I started the Darwinian Evolution series of posts, to try to highlight the problem of Off-topic trolling here. These bullies feel that my Darwinian Evolution fallacies threads were inappropriate. Of course, they were inappropriate, they were off-topic intended to highlight a problem here. I believe you are seasoned enough to see the truth as I believe you have been following this saga from the beginning. Me and Terry even had a friendly bet as to the outcome of this ( which I lost, so I'll be buying Terry, and he said Jed, lunch at the Officer's club, when I get back there.) But to me, this was all about trying to fix a problem. But instead of being more sensitive to how they are destroying this forum, these chronic off-topic posters and gang of bullies started insulting and calling for my banning. This of course I found to be an insult and started retaliating. That my friend is the problem. And my friend, I am not the problem.. Just that a gang of bullies have started coming out of the woodwork and team up to gang up of me. I have said it before, have said it for close to a year now, and will say it again. My off-topic posts will stop as soon as the blatant off-topic posts destroying this forum stops. And while I'm at it, I will respond to insults, with insults equally insulting. I hope you are honest enough to acknowledge that what I am saying is true. But as for Lomax, I did not really expect him to be honest. What I am about to say is also true. Muslims will lie, can lie according to their religion, if their lie will serve the good of muhammed or islam. This my friend is the truth. Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: David Roberson To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age Of course you have the right to be offended by the off topic threads that seem to show up often. I tend to be more concentrated on the LENR subject than many, but it is refreshing to have my attention averted on occasions. Do not consider my opinion as any more valid than that of yours or others when seeking off topic offense levels. I find vortex-l a location where a number of intelligent and science minded individuals hang out that I can utilize as a sanity check for many unusual concepts. The recent intense concentration upon religious issues is not very useful for several reasons. It is apparent that you have a strong Christian faith and that others within this group favor the Muslim faith to an equally strong degree. This in itself is a good thing and I say nothing against the religious beliefs of you or anyone else. The world has enough conflict over religion already and it is of little practical use for us to continue that tradition here. As I said, neither side to this argument appears to be capable of giving an inch toward a common resolution. For this reason, all I see within the arguments presented is a repetition of the same disgusting issues. Why waste so much energy toward this type of discussion when it is known ahead of time that nothing will change? Most of the off topic subjects do not result in the amount of conflict that is seen within the religious type. As you have noted, there has been awful and unwarranted name calling engaged in and insults which I find offensive. I would not object if you or anyone else suggests an off topic subject that encourages discussions as long as they do not result in that sort of behavior and they were at least related to science. You will find me objecting if these unrelated threads begin to become too long or cause serious personal attacks. The recent discussions concerning global warming came close to that threshold due to the sometimes heated exchanges that resulted from what some perceive as a world endangering situation. I can understand the passion since there are some convinced that the fate of the world is in the balance unless something is done quickly. Of course you and I fall on the same side of this issue where we seek reasonable, cautious, and thoughtful preparation. I am attempting to understand the nature of the religious issues that keep this and other threads like it alive and so passionate. Do both sides of the argument believe that they must prevail and have the last word? Is God watching the debate and pushing each side forward in a manner that seems a little less than brotherly? For some reason I do not believe so. Why don't both parties to this discussion realize that they will never make headway in convincing the other side and just stop the insanity? I find both sides equally guilty and plead for each to abandon the discussion. Forgive me if I offended anyone as that was not my intent. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Dec 25, 2012 4:04 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age Yes, you are right of course, but It would even be better if all off-topic threads be terminated and brought to Vortex-B. I am doing this is highlight a problem. If you call for the termination of this thread, you need to call for the termination of all off-topic threads. I believe that is only fair. For why should the Vortex-L membership only be subjected to off-topic threads you consider "interesting". In other words, why are you the arbiter of what off-topic posts should be discuss or not? They are all off-topic and should be banished from Vortex-L forever. Isn't that what I've always asked for only to be insulted, ridiculed and ignored? No offense intended, just asking your thinking process on this. I consider this discussion with Lomax interesting. So, on that aspect, this thread has as much right to be discussed in Vortex as any other off-topic thread you consider "interesting". Or are you saying that because you are an longer time member of Vortex-L, that you opinion carries more weight than mine? Isn't that what the chronic off-topic posters are essentially saying? It's all or nothing my friend. No off-topic threads or ALL off-topic threads allowed. Am I not being fair? Is what I'm saying unfair? Jojo PS, Of course, I am ready and prepared to stop all off-topic threads that I participate in, but only if there is a corresponding commitment from other chronis off-topic posters to moderate incessant off-topic posts. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Roberson To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age Guys, I would very much prefer it if this thread were to be terminated. It is apparent that there will never be agreement between the parties involved in the dispute and highly unlikely that one or the other will modify his beliefs. Why not just shake hands (electronically of course) and change the subject to LENR or something else more interesting. I suspect that I am not the only one with this opinion. Dave
