Gentlemen,
De-oxygenated water is the super molecule. Really should be a gas. See Chan
recent posts on RWGResearch and summery copied from Form page 55-59:
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What if..
What if we are all looking at this noble gas thing all wrong. Every one,
who has ever attempted to make this thing work over the past 30 plus years, and
everyone currently working on the thing - including BR and JR - all looking at
it wrong...
We are all looking at making some sort of gas mixture expand, ie. from
normal to expanded.
Suppose that's not how it works. There is another possibility. Suppose we
should be looking to make some sort of gas mixture contract, a normal mixture,
that after processing collapses to a smaller volume. The atoms cluster together
- not a molecular bond, that would take too much energy to disassociate - but
some sort of bond like Axil described when he was talking about super-atoms.
Imagine, for a moment, that when the gas mixture is properly processed, it
shrinks to a much smaller volume - for what ever reason - the atoms cluster
together...
Then in the engine, the event at TDC (voltage discharge of some sort)
breaks the weak bonds, with a massive and almost instantaneous expansion in
volume. As the gas expands (as allowed in the engine - not allowed in the pipe
bomb) under the influence of a magnetic field (Papp had 3 coils - rather large
with many turns) then it contracts back to its condensed state to start the
cycle over again.
Suppose the plug that Dr Feynman pulled from the wall operated the cylinder
coils (the engine still ran, so not all of the support electronics were plugged
in). Papp got very nervous - he knew that it could explode soon, and violently
- and it did.
Put the condensed gas in an enclosed cylinder without the means to expand
(no piston) and without the magnetic coils to cause the contraction - well that
spells BOMB, see US3680431.
We can't believe anything JR says - he is faking it, doesn't have a clue
how to make a nge engine run - he is doing research hoping to find the answer
before his next public show or stockholders meeting.
But then there is this:
http://dimensionalbliss.com/2011/08/06/p...planation/
In this video, if JR wasn't so caught up in his delusion of having an
actual running engine, he would have realized that he had actually
(re)discovered the critical missing link to the Papp process...
Just some food for thought - I got to get back to my day job...
kcd
Oh, just one more thing. So why didn't Papp disclose this little tidbit?
Because the process is really freaking dangerous - loose control of the engine
process and it explodes - violently!! Papp wanted to get his process accepted
first, then inform folks of the negative attributes later.. Of course, I could
be completely wrong...
Quote: What if we are all looking at this noble gas thing all wrong.
Everyone, who has ever attempted to make this thing work over the past 30 plus
years, and everyone currently working on the thing - including BR and JR - all
looking at it wrong...
It is true that the Papp process is a cycle in which expansion and contraction
of the noble gas mix is occurring. To understand the Papp process, we must
understand both the contraction phase of the Papp cycle as well as the
expansion phase.
If the contraction phase of the current cycle is not successfully engineered,
then the expansion phase of the next cycle will not be successful.
The noble gas mix must get back to the same quiescent state after each cycle is
completed.
I believe that this quiescent state is characterized as an “uncharged dialectic
initial condition”.
Quote: Suppose that's not how it works. There is another possibility.
Suppose we should be looking to make some sort of gas mixture contract, a
normal mixture that after processing collapses to a smaller volume. The atoms
cluster together - not a molecular bond that would take too much energy to
disassociate - but some sort of bond like Axil described when he was talking
about super-atoms.
Imagine, for a moment, that when the gas mixture is properly processed, it
shrinks to a much smaller volume - for whatever reason - the atoms cluster
together...
I believe that power is produced in both the contraction phase as well as the
expansion phase of the Papp cycle.
So far, what Russ has showed us is just the power produced by the expansion
phase of the cycle. He has not yet engineered the controls for the contraction
phase of the Papp cycle.
When Russ adds that control logic for the contraction phase of the Papp cycle,
the power produced will double, the cycle will be repeatable and in a rapidly
cyclic fashion.
To reiterate at this juncture, Russ has shown us a “one off” expansion of the
first half of the first cycle.
The question you might now ask is what controls the contraction of the noble
gas mix. And how do we maximize the power produced by that contraction.
I believe that this contraction is controlled by rapidly draining the charge
injected into the noble gas mix by the spark discharge.
This charge is removed by the feedback current.
If you remember, Russ first saw this current in action when his diodes blew out
because his insolating spark gap was too small.
The charge that produces this current is what causes the green florescent glow
of the helium gas.
This glow was seen is the "Christmas glass experiment" that Russ performed, if
you remember.
Bob Rohner uses this current to run a small motor. And Papp used this feedback
current to power the next cylinder in his engine.
The timing of the draining of the feedback current is how we can control the
speed of the Papp cycle.
John Rohner does not think that the feedback current is important and does not
drain it; this is a reason why I think John Rohner does not yet have a working
Papp engine concept.
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What say Axil, adds up with some of your posts.
Cheers,
Newt
