Please have a little more patience Jojo. The way these posts are coming now reminds me of a signal being filtered by a multi pole system with lots of delay. You have been true to your word and I thank you for that. Some folks have a difficult time realizing that it is time to calm down and relax.
If Abd keeps responding for no provocation on your part, I will understand who really is the source of the problem. Abd, this is meant for you: Please find strength to hold back your words that appear insulting to Jojo and others. Perhaps it is a cultural issue, but there is no need for any further comments to posts that have such offensive titles as this one. Jojo has promised to go back to the traditions of past with a vortex that we can be proud of. I expect you to do the same unless it is your intent to destroy the list. It gives me pause to even return a post with a heading that is as repulsive as this one. It might sound innocent, but we all know what underlies the topic. Thanks to all, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 3:44 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls. David, in this response you can clearly see who the unreasonable party is. You made a reasonable suggestion and I honored it because you showed objectivity. I have stopped posting, but the cycle of insults directed my way continues, with this fresh post with fresh insults. My friend, I am not the problem here. Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls. > At 03:09 AM 1/3/2013, David Roberson wrote: >>Jojo, I do not have control of the postings that these guys produce. Most >>of the time they submit excellent subject manner and on occasions it gets >>off topic as you say. Recently, most of their postings seem to be >>acceptable and pretty much on subject or related to LENR in some fashion. >> >>You have hit a raw nerve with Abd and it is clear that he feels that every >>post against his religion must be countered. > > If that were so, my posting volume would be much greater than it is. > >> It seems odd to me that he seems so inclined, but maybe that is part of >> his belief and he is performing an important duty in his mind. You >> should let him off the hook to be fair. I know some disgusting things >> have been stated about your beliefs as well. Those guilty of this type >> of attack should realize that they are not doing anyone a service this >> way and the behavior should stop immediately. > > I do not find it odd that Jojo responds to what he sees as insult to > himself or his beliefs. What is much more of a problem is that he is so > sensitive to "insult" that he perceives it when it's not there. And, then, > he *retailiates.* He's been explicit about this. He's said that he'll keep > it up until others stop insulting him. And then, when others stop -- and > they often have -- *he continues the response.* > >>I find that some off topic posts are educational and I would not be aware >>of the subject unless someone like the two vortex members you list were to >>toss them our way. On occasion I have felt that too much bandwidth was >>being spent in this manner, but it usually clears up fairly soon. I >>recall seeking termination of a couple of far off discussions in the past. > > I've noted at least one of those, in my coverage of the history of this > affair. > >>I think your best plan of action would be to leave Abd alone for a while >>and cease posting the terribly offensive statements about his religion. >>If he brings up these issues again without provocation then someone needs >>to go to his location and pull the power plug of his computer. > > Please! If I do that, I'd be sick and would need help. > >> Either that or arrange for him to seek professional care. So once >> that goes away, then why not monitor the vortex for long lasting off >> topic postings that you find offensive and let whoever posts them know >> about your dissatisfaction. > > The fellow has said again and again that he wants the "cycle of insult" to > stop, and he's promised to end it. He just promised that again. As I > recall, it was *within minutes* that he started this thread. > >>There was a time not long ago when the vortex was running smoothly and I >>think that can be achieved again soon. We all need to have folks of the >>various backgrounds and talents to consider our ideas. I recall you >>making important contributions and hope to see more of the same after >>things settle back to normal. > > Jojo's subscription account may have been shared. There are two different > personalities shown. The account ([email protected]) is in the name of > Joseph Hao, but Jojo claims not to be Joseph. Definitely, the *account* > made reasonable and on-topic contributions. But *some of the posts* -- > even the very first one, showed a certain combativeness that was missing > from the truly substantial on-topic posts. One time the jthao1 account > posted here with the name being Joseph Hao. It doesn't necessarily > matter, but Bill's policy here discouraged anonymous accounts, so I'd > suggest, in fact, that Jojo subscribe under a *real name.* Bill also > recognizes that sometimes this is not possible. > > (However, Jojo could be identified, real-world, if someone had a legal > reason. His IP has been published. What he's doing may be illegal where he > lives, in the Philippines.) > >>I assume that Jed and SVJ will not see this posting since they have >>blocked anything that has your name within according to what they have >>written. > > I don't know that SVJ did this, but he *unsubscribed.* > >> They are good guys and I value what they are contributing to the group. >> Please give the vortex some time to clean itself up before you continue >> with the offensive tittles and content. We might loose the reason that >> we subscribe if many valued members flee. > > If the issue is not resolved, this list is toast. I've seen what happens > to vibrant lists when an owner disappears. They die, sometimes slowly, and > they often become filled with spam. I don't know if subscription services > are still working for this list. Has anyone subscribed in the last few > weeks? > > >>Dave >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> >>To: vortex-l <[email protected]> >>Sent: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 2:07 am >>Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls. >> >>David, can you call for a moderation of the off-topic posts from others. >>If the most blatant off-topic offenders would simply make a small promise >>to moderate their incessant noise, that would be enough to satisfy the >>main reason why I am posting off-topic posts here. Note, I am not >>referring to off-topic posts that may be slightly relevant, I am talking >>about off-topic posts that are clearly irrelevant. I am doing this to >>give Jed a dose of his own medicine. I am just "gabbing with friends" >>here and "making up the rules as I go". >> >>How about it? This solution is certainly simpler and more straitforward >>than starting another list or filtering everybody who responds to me. >> >>I believe this proposal of mine is fair and equitable and good for the >>community. How about it Jed and SVJ? >> >> >> >> >>Jojo >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: <mailto:[email protected]>David Roberson >>To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] >>Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 2:16 PM >>Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls. >> >>Abd, is it possible for you to discuss these issues with him in private? >>I find the titles of the threads offensive and to keep seeing them over >>and over is beginning to wear on me. >> >>I have a hard time believing that you must personally defend Islam to this >>extent and did it occur to you that you are feeding fuel to the fire over >>and over again? >> >>I miss the good discussions that once were common on this site and it >>would not surprise me to see many leave if this continues at the present >>rate. Why not just let the insults pass and eventually they must end. >> >>At times such as this I look back fondly to the posts of Mary and Crude, >>at least they were related to the main subject and generally not directly >>offensive. >> >>This is at least the second time I have begged for a little civility on >>this list. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax >><<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> >>To: vortex-l <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>; vortex-l >><<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> >>Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:25 pm >>Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls. >> >> >>Stewart and Rothwell don't realize the implications of leaving >>seriously offensive posts in the Vortex archive, without response. I >>am responding to only a few of Jojo's posts, he's been flooding the >>list. After promising to stop, he posted 20 times here yesterday, and >>28 times today, carrying on quite as before. >> >>I responded seven times yesterday and seven today. (Direct responses >>to Jojo). My responses will naturally become rarer and shorter. >> >>Responding on VortexB-l is *useless.* The VortexB archive on Beatty's >>web site is *inaccessible.* >> >>I'm not engaged in a conversation with Jojo Jaro. That ended long >>ago. I'm in a conversation with *others*, most of whom are not now >>present. I would not bring this conversation here, it was brought >>here, insistently, and it's maintained here because, I assume, of the >>absence of Bill. If you really want to do something about that, >>contact him. I've tried and so have others apparently. So far, no >>response. I'm worried about him. >> >>At 08:52 PM 1/2/2013, ChemE Stewart wrote: >> >I agree 100% >> > >> >On Wednesday, January 2, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: >> >Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> >> >wrote: >> > >> >Please remove this discussion to VortexB-L. >> > >> > >> >I doubt that will happen. VortexB-l does not appear to be >> >googleable. So from Jojo's point of view, it could be useless. >> > >> > >> >I have already filtered out Jojo. So why don't YOU take this >> >discussion to VortexB-L. Respond to him there, if you must. Or I >> >will filter out you, too. >> > >> >Enough is enough. >> > >> >- Jed >> > >
