At 10:04 AM 1/3/2013, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Oh, I'm quivering, shaking with the possibility that *Jed Rothwell*
might filter me out.
Okay, out you go.
I'll check back in a few months to see if you have stopped posting
this garbage.
I don't know what Jed did, specifically. I assume I'll find out, if I
have a need to contact him, which comes up from time to time.
I am not going to subscribe to VortexB-l. This is supposedy a
moderated list. If it stays unmoderated, I won't be here long.
YOU are the one polluting it! Go away!
I considered that. I probably will, but there is a little work left
to do. Someone let Jed know there is a new list that won't have the
obnoxious crap on it. If that's what he actually wants.
For the record, I have no objection to Islam but no interest either.
As several people have pointed out, the thread titles alone are
offensive and way off topic.
Right. Two issues:
1. Offensive thread titles. Not okay! How to stop this from happening?
2. Off topic. That has not been considered a problem, if the OT tag
is used. However, there is a problem with the tag added later: the
topic no longer threads completely.
The real problem: no moderation. Moderation can indeed be light, but
when it's *absent*, problems can become intractable.
Do realize that the main offender here -- and there clearly is a main
offender, just look at the numbers of posts and who starts offensive
subjects -- claims to be doing this because of "off topic" posts
here, and specifically refers to ... Jed Rothwell. So Jed "fixed" the
problem for himself by filtering out the fellow. It might be noted,
that didn't work. The fellow kept referring to Jed as being the
problem here. And many kept responding to him, not just me. How many
people is Jed going to filter out?
Jed's perfectly free to filter me out, as I wrote. So he did. So
what? Why did he waste everyone's time by posting his own response
here? His response is off-topic in this thread (as are many posts
here). Basically, lack of discipline is *common*. Hence normal. Hence
"discipline" cannot be the solution to the flooding of the list by
offensive and off-topic posts. There is a long-time solution,
moderation. It's easily implemented, *if there is at least one active
moderator.*
And it can actually be done with no "censorship," with full
tranparency, and without a moderator acting like a dictator. If this
community wants a solution, all it needs to do is to take a *little*
action that is not risky. Subscribe to the new mailing list, and use
it, or this list. There is no need to abandon this list.
I hope that Bill is just busy, away, and unable to respond. But we
can handle this without him, if we want to. We can actually bring
back *modest participation* from Mary Yugo, Cude, etc., while
preventing what has been a problem.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/join
By the way, anyone else could do this. But why would it be necessary?
I will *not* be a heavy hand on that list, my training has been to
function as a neutral meeting chair, under the rules of deliberative
process. I've offered to turn the new list over to Bill if he wants
to be an owner. I've solicited moderator volunteers, and a number of
users have been suggested here who would be fine with me if they
volunteer. Long-term, if Bill does not show up, I will apppoint at
least one other owner, from among those widely trusted. We can have
*many* moderators.
If I were to abuse my position, note: anyone could start a new list
if necessary, at any time. It is possible to directly contact
everyone who has ever posted to the list, because we all get email
addresses with list mail.
The list is a moderated list, but the norm will be that when a member
shows *any* relevant posting, they will be unmoderated, trusted to
moderate themselves. Only if a problem arises will a member be put
back on moderation. And, from there, there are many options.
