Dave, If the interaction of Dark Matter/Energy (~95%) and Baryonic Matter(~5%) results in Beta Decay/LENR, transmutations and mutations, I would say life is possible anywhere as long as the level of Dark/Vacuum Energy is not to high in that region of space. Weak Anthropic Principle at work.
http://arxiv.org/abs/1203.4165 http://astro.berkeley.edu/~mwhite/darkmatter/hdm.html Quite a cosmic stew that we live in. My research tells me red tide, which gets worse after Hurricanes is part of that cosmic stew. http://darkmattersalot.com/2013/01/04/cosmic-seafood-gumbo/ Stewart On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:11 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: > And then there is the report of Rossi and Defkalion. Well, at least they > insist that their systems are working and I have my fingers crossed that > one day soon we will hear about good confirmation. > > In my estimate, there is some evidence that these and others are seeing > good excess power. The work on Pd D appears to be sound, so it would not > surprise me too much to find that nature has developed a method of > extracting this form of energy provided the ignition does not require more > than she can muster. I agree that a small advantage could yield a large > payoff for the organism that is fortunate enough to unlock LENR. > > If we pursue this line of reasoning, are you aware of any natural source > of energy that can be tapped at a relatively modest temperature not being > used by some life form? The mid ocean ridges come to mind as an example > of unusual energy support. Hot springs have abundant life within. What > about the energy tapped by battery type action? If I recall, there are > some bacteria species that eat through metal underwater. Perhaps they use > the water Ph as one side of the reaction. I am not aware of any life that > uses the release of natural radioactive decay energy to grow, but someone > else might have good examples. > > So, if it is assumed that LENR can be released at temperatures that do > not result in the loss of life for all bacteria, then it might be expected > to be utilized. I guess you could say I am making a point that life should > be able to live just about under any circumstances both on Earth and > elsewhere. That initial step from chemical to life is the key. > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jones Beene <[email protected]> > To: vortex-l <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Feb 6, 2013 11:45 am > Subject: RE: [Vo]:Chemolithotrophs and Ni-H > > Dave, > > Here’s the problem. > > If you look at the reliable Ni-H experiments going back to Thermacore’s > work for DARPA, up to Celani and the replications – the proved COP is > rather low - and there is no evidence that it is really “nuclear,” even if > we call it LENR. There are really no other trustworthy experiments to base > things on. > > In fact a COP of 1.3-1.5 is probably all that can be expected - if we base > things on all the facts available. > > However, COP =1.5 is a huge incentive for survival in those conditions. In > fact, any COP over one would be rapidly selected by the evolutionary > mechanism, no? > > *From:* David Roberson > > This would be a fine development if it turns out that LENR is used by > these organisms. Some of the parameters required for the use of LENR might > be revealed to help us in our quest. > > Do you think that the quantity of rocks consumed would give some > indication of whether or not LENR were active? I would expect it to take > a small quantity if nuclear energy were available for the organism. > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jones Beene > > If life on earth has ever evolved to use LENR for survival in extreme > > conditions, then evidence of that would likely be found in deep cold lakes > > in Antarctica. We talked about this earlier when it looked like the Russians > > were about to drill deep enough - but they had equipment failure. > > > > Now, for the first time, life-forms from deep under the Antarctic ice have > > been found at a site called Lake Whillans by a US team. Well, they are not > > sure yet what they have, but they found what looks like single celled > > organisms. Lots. > > > > This variety of extreme life was surviving under a half-mile of ice at > > temperatures below freezing. Water pressure keeps the water from turning > > solid. No light gets there. The life-forms apparently survive by "eating > > rocks" and are called "chemolithotrophs." > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithotroph > > > > Over thirty years ago, Nickel was shown to be required as a trace element > > for survival of five strains of the more extreme chemolithotrophs > > Alcaligenes eutrophus, Xanthobacter autotrophicus, etc. (Archives of > > Microbiology > > February 1980, Volume 124, "Nickel requirement for chemolithotrophic growth > > in hydrogen-oxidizing bacteria" but there are articles about nickel > > requirements in these organisms going back much further) > > > > We will not know for months what strains of chemolithotrophs were found > > recently, or if they require nickel for survival. Of course, there is no > > harm in predicting that if nickel is found to be necessary - there is a real > > good case for some kind of LENR being used as an energy source. > > > > And even if iron alone is enough - perhaps LENR can take place with iron as > > well as nickel under those circumstances. > > > > Original story here: > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/02/130205-antarctica-ice-life-m > > oons-science-environment-lakes/ > >
