This trick would be the same as using radiation in the construction of the E-cat at least in the minds of the certification regulators.
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Paul Breed <[email protected]> wrote: > Another possibility.... > Maybe Rossi has some radiation source in a lead box.... he pulls it out > and shines it on his reactor starting it.... > This would be consistent with the diurnal variation some have seen that > matches the diurnal cosmic ray intensity..... > > Maybe the system needs a trigger.... > > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote: > >> My interpretation of this quote is as follows: >> >> Rossi starts off with 5 micron nickel powder. He then forms nickel >> nanowires on the surface of this micro-powder using a propriety surface >> treatment. >> >> This treatment uses ionized nickel that Rossi sprays on the surface of >> the micro-powder. He selects heavy nickel atoms from the nickel vapor spray >> using electromagnetic mass separation. >> >> This method is a form of mass spectrometry, and is sometimes referred to >> by that name. It uses the fact that charged particles are deflected in a >> magnetic field and the amount of deflection depends upon the particle's >> mass. It is very expensive for the quantity produced, as it has an >> extremely low throughput, but it can allow very high purities to be >> achieved. This method is often used for processing small amounts of pure >> isotopes for research or specific use (such as isotopic tracers), but is >> usually impractical for industrial use. >> >> At Oak Ridge and at the University of California, Berkeley, Ernest O. >> Lawrence developed electromagnetic separation for much of the uranium used >> in the first United States atomic bomb (see Manhattan Project). Devices >> using his principle are named calutrons. After the war the method was >> largely abandoned as impractical. It had only been undertaken (along with >> diffusion and other technologies) to guarantee there would be enough >> material for use, whatever the cost. Its main eventual contribution to the >> war effort was to further concentrate material from the gaseous diffusion >> plants to even higher levels of purity. >> Since Rossi must vaporize the nickel anyway, little addition energy is >> required to select the nickel atoms the land on the micro-powder using mass >> spectrometry principles. >> >> see: >> >> >> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Diagram_of_uranium_isotope_separation_in_the_calutron.png >> >> >> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Arnaud Kodeck >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Lovable : Is it an April fool ? (Look at the date of comment of Andrea >>> Rossi)**** >>> >>> **2. ** >>> Andrea Rossi**** >>> >>> April 1st, 2012 at 5:51 >>> PM<http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=614&cpage=1#comment-209521> >>> **** >>> >>> Dear Steven N. Karels: >>> *We use regular Ni, then we make series of treatment. The cost of >>> treatment is irrelevant compared to the energy produced.** >>> *Warm Regards, >>> A.R.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:[email protected]] >>> *Sent:* mardi 21 mai 2013 20:23 >>> *To:* vortex-l >>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Celani detects gamma emissions during the January >>> 14, 2011 Rossi Test**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> >>> http://shutdownrossi.com/e-cat-science/110-quotes-by-rossi-about-gamma-rays-and-transmutations/ >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> 110+ Quotes by Rossi about Gamma Rays and Transmutations**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote:** >>> ** >>> >>> http://cold-fusion.ca/floridagate-puts-rossi-under-scrutiny-299000**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> *“Floridagate” puts Rossi under scrutiny***** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> The matter was investigated by Mr James Stokes who reported “Dr Rossi >>> stated the active ingredients are powdered nickel and a tablet containing a >>> compound which releases hydrogen gas during the process. The output thermal >>> energy is six times the electrical energy input. He acknowledged that *no >>> nuclear reactions occur during the process and that only low energy photons >>> in the energy range 50-100 keV occur within the device. There are no >>> radiation readings above background when the device is in operation.*Since >>> the device is not a reactor, the NRC does not have jurisdiction. Since >>> there is no radioactive materials used in the construction and no >>> radioactive waste is generated by it, the State of Florida, Bureau of >>> Radiation Control has no jurisdiction. *Currently, all production, >>> distribution and use of these devices is overseas.* Dr Rossi has >>> arranged to meet with Underwriter Laboratories (UL) to seek approval for >>> manufacturing in the United States.”**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 1:52 PM, DJ Cravens <[email protected]> >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> >>> Perhaps Rossi was adding some catalyst. >>> >>> For example, perhaps his source of Ni 62 is slightly radioactive (say >>> it was prepared via neutron activation of other Ni isotopes say there was >>> some Ni 63m in it). >>> >>> Then it might register when the catalyst was accessed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> **** >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: [Vo]:Celani detects gamma emissions during the January 14, >>> 2011 Rossi Test >>> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 19:26:01 +0200**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Thank you Jed to remind me this exchange you had with Celani. I was not >>> fully aware of every detail. When I was reading, an idea come to me mind. >>> Could it be possible that the secret sauce of Rossi is a gamma emitter? I >>> explain myself: Secretly, Rossi could have opened his reactor to adjust >>> something inside then closed the reactor back. In the meantime, Celani >>> detected an increase of gamma emission. A low frequency gamma (25~50 keV) >>> could be easily shielded. If Rossi opened his reactor, then vacuum should >>> be applied prior to reload with H2. The noise of a vacuum pump can not be >>> hidden easily. Celani and al should have heard it as well. Rossi isn’t fool >>> to put air and H2 inside a closed vessel …**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Unfortunately, we don’t have the wavelength of the emission. I don’t >>> want to play the sceptic here. Can Celani say that he is sure that Rossi >>> didn’t open his reactor while they were waiting behind the door?**** >>> >>> **** >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* Jed Rothwell [mailto:[email protected]] >>> *Sent:* mardi 21 mai 2013 15:48 >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* [Vo]:Celani detects gamma emissions during the January 14, >>> 2011 Rossi Test**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> [Here is a message I posted in 2011]**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Celani detects gamma emissions during the January 14, 2011 Rossi Test >>> >>> Villa reported no gamma emissions or other radiation significantly above >>> background from the Rossi device. Celani, however, said that he did detect >>> something. Here are the details he related to me at ICCF16, from my notes >>> and with corrections from Celani. >>> >>> Celani attended the demonstration on Jan. 14. The device did not work at >>> first. He and others were waiting impatiently in a room next to the room >>> with the device. He estimates that he was around 6 m from the device. He >>> had two battery-powered detectors: >>> >>> 1. A sodium iodide gamma detector (NaI), set for 1 s acquisition >>> time. >>> >>> 2. A Geiger counter (model GEM Radalert II, Perspective >>> Scientific), which was set to 10 s acquisition time. >>> >>> Both were turned on as he waited. The sodium iodide detector was in >>> count mode rather than spectrum mode; that is, it just tells the number of >>> counts per second. >>> >>> Both showed what Celani considers normal background for Italy at that >>> elevation. >>> >>> As he was waiting, suddenly, during a 1-second interval both detectors >>> were saturated. That is to say, they both registered counts off the scale. >>> The following seconds the NaI detector returned to nomal. The Geiger >>> counter had to be switched off to “delete” the “overrange,” which was >7.5 >>> microsievert/hour, and later switched on again. >>> >>> About 1 to 2 minutes after this event, Rossi emerged from the other room >>> and said the machine just turned on and the demonstration was underway. >>> >>> Celani commented that the only conventional source of gamma rays far >>> from a nuclear reactor would be a rare event: a cosmic ray impact on the >>> atmosphere producing proton storm shower of particles. He and I agreed it >>> is extremely unlikely this happened coincidentally the same moment the >>> reactor started . . . Although, come to think of it, perhaps the causality >>> is reversed, and the cosmic ray triggered the Rossi device. >>> >>> Another scientist said perhaps both detectors malfunctioned because of >>> an electromagnetic source in the building or some other prosaic source. >>> Celani considers this unrealistic because he also had in operation >>> battery-operated radio frequency detectors: an ELF (Extremely Low >>> Frequency) and RF (COM environmental microwave monitor), both made by >>> Perspective Scientific. No radio frequency anomalies were detected. I >>> remarked that it is also unrealistic because the two gamma detectors are >>> battery powered and they work on different principles. The scientist >>> pointed to neutron detectors in an early cold fusion experiment that >>> malfunctioned at a certain time of day every day because some equipment in >>> the laboratory building was turned on every day. That sort of thing can >>> happen with neutron detectors, which are finicky, but this Geiger counter >>> is used for safety monitoring. Such devices have to be rugged and reliable >>> or they will not keep you safe, so I doubt it is easy to fool one of them. >>> >>> Celani expresses some reservations about the reality of the Rossi >>> device. Given his detector results I think it would be more appropriate for >>> him to question the safety of it. >>> >>> When Celani went in to see the experiment in action, he brought out the >>> sodium iodide detector and prepared to change it to spectrum mode, which >>> would give him more information about the ongoing reaction. Rossi objected >>> vociferously, saying the spectrum would give Celani (or anyone else who see >>> it), all they need to know to replicate the machine and steal Ross's >>> intellectual property. >>> >>> Celani later groused that there is no point to inviting scientists to a >>> demo if you have no intentions of letter them use their own instruments. >>> (Note, however, that Levi et al. did use their own instruments.) >>> >>> >>> >>> Jacques Dufour also attended the demonstration. He does not speak much >>> Italian, so he could not follow the discussion. He made some observations, >>> including one that I consider important, namely that the outlet pipe was >>> far too hot to touch. That means the temperature of it was over 70 deg C. >>> That, in turn, proves there was considerable excess heat. McKubre and >>> others have said the outlet temperature sensor was too close to the body of >>> the device. Others have questioned whether the steam was really dry or not. >>> If the question is whether the machine really produced heat or not, these >>> factors can be ignored. All you need to know is the temperature of the tap >>> water going in (15°C), the flow rate and the power input (400 W). At that >>> power level the outlet pipe would be ~30°C. Celani points out that the >>> input power was quite unstable, fluctuating between 400 and 800 W, but it >>> was still not large enough to explain the excess heat. >>> >>> Celani did not see the steam emerge from the end of the pipe, but he >>> reported the whistling sound of steam passing through the pipe. I think >>> there is no question the water boiled, and much of it was vaporized, so >>> there was massive excess heat. Celani complained that phase-change >>> calorimetry is too complicated, but I think he exaggerates the difficulty. >>> I agree that the actual calorimetric method could be improved, especially >>> with a 5-minute test of steam sparged into a container of cold water. >>> >>> Here are a couple of additional comments from Celani: >>> >>> a) The NaI (Tl) gamma detector had an energy range from 25 to 2000 keV; >>> >>> b) Celani asked, in several public mail to Rossi, that for a conclusive >>> SCIENTIFIC demonstration of such wonderful device, the maximum temperature >>> of the outgoing water has to be <90°C so that CONVENTIONAL flow calorimetry >>> can be used (rather than phase-change calorimetry). **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >> >> >
