In addition to Fran's comments, there may be thermal electric devices that create electrical currents from thermal energy incorporated in Rossi's device. The internally generated electricity could create desirable magnetic fields etc.
Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Roarty, Francis X To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 3:38 AM Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Misconceptions about COP considering the heat and geometry of the reactants the electrical or for that matter any other “inputs” might be a byproduct of the heat..necessary for operation but no need to supply anything but heat and let the ionized plasma squirting thru the geometry do the rest. From: Alan Fletcher [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:52 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Misconceptions about COP At 12:53 PM 9/10/2014, Jones Beene wrote: From: Foks0904 Interestingly, David French stated at the ICCF18 synthesis panel that the requirements for a viable commercial product are as follows: (1) COP > 6-10 ~ (2) Temperatures exceeding 200F and preferably achieving 600F + to produce economically viable electricity. Any thoughts? Well, yes. I do not know French, but I suspect that he may not be looking deep enough into the possibilities, nor have analyzed Rossi’s tactic here going back several years. He may not understand why the megawatt unit exists, since this is not obvious at first glance. The COP>6 200-600F is essentially the standard for the turbine "gold standard". There are other cycles in the works, but not at even closely the same level of maturity or production. The downside of the more complicated design, which essentially is the Big Blue Box, is that it will require many units operating in stages to achieve the advantage of no outside input (which is the definition of infinite COP) and thus a minimum size and cost which is high. As far as I can tell, the old (pre-mouse-cat) is entirely in parallel, no stages of one feeding another. And so is the new cat-mouse version : N * 2-stage systems in parallel. I can see a use for a hotcat feeding low temperature steam (120C) to a hot-cat (600C). Even if it stays below electric production, the heating/cooling market is huge. I'd still pay for a domestic water+heater+ammonia-fridge system. You can simply adjust the input to the cooler to get any air temperature you want, and the heat will provide hot water. Nevertheless, I must admit that I do not believe Rossi on this point - and think that something more than thermal input is required. But I would love to be wrong on that assessment. Even if electrical stimulation is required, it is probably a tiny fraction of the input heat requirement.
