On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, Mark Goldes wrote:
> billb wrote:
> >If I was into gambling, I'd bet my life savings that we'll never see
> >anything real. Make no mistake, I'd HOPE that you have something, but at
> >the same time I'd stake major money in betting that the "free energy
> >secrecy rule" will do it's magic once again, and totally block any chance
> >of success.
>
> On the basis of what has surfaced to date, I would not quarrel with your
> odds. However, we are aware of enough to suggest other labs have also
> produced self-running machines. However, I have no wish to discuss that
> issue, and will not reply to queries.
It doesn't matter how many groups have genuine self-running machines
sitting in the lab. It doesn't matter if you have one in your briefcase
at this moment. If every single company fails for whatever reason, then
the goal is not to develop or manufacture machines, the goal is to
discover the actual causes of all those failures... and then to counter
them.
In my observations of history, inventor secrecy has been the guaranteed
death-knell of every company. So here I see another company with grand
dreams, yet ...there's that usual secrecy crap in spades. You think it
won't ruin your dreams, that "it can't happen here?"
Yes, of course secrecy is effective... in other arenas. But where a
discovery is something ridiculed by conventional scientist, the inventor
encounters a huge barrier, and any secrecy makes that barrier ten times
higher. I'd expect modern ZPE inventors to learn from history, and to do
everything they possibly can in order to prevent the slightest hint of
secrecy. Yet you're doing the opposite. One kind of insanity is to
repeat past actions yet expect a different result. We'll soon see if the
Greg Watson Memorial Rule: "Secrecy Guarantees Failure," is real.
> We suspect Brady will have a hard time patenting. There is much prior art
> in magnetic turbines. If that proves the case, what you suggest may have a
> real world demonstration model.
If "secrecy guarantees failure," then Brady is no threat to you, and will
never be a competitor. You can safely assume that he's already gone.
I'm convinced that it goes like this:
1. We have very very important discovery which can change the world.
2. It's OURS, and when the world changes, it will be US that did it.
3. If any outsiders discover the details of the discovery, then THEY
can reap the accolades and the billions of dollars instead of us,
and the fame will be shared with, or even entirely stolen by the
idea-thieves, just like Marconi defeated Tesla.
4. Therefore the primary threat is idea-theives, and the primary goal
is to keep the discovery secret from all outsiders. Funding,
manufacturing, and sales are important but secondary.
5. But if we build and sell devices, any outsiders can back-engineer
them overnight... so patents are absolutely essential.
6. Now we find that the USPTO throws out every one of our applications,
since the discovery is not a part of conventional science and is
not associated with cutting-edge research at any university. And
now they declare it to be a "perpetual motion scheme" without even
bothering to look at test results or to test it themselves.
7. We're in deadlock. Our primary goal of secrecy REQUIRES that we
have patent protection before going forward. Yet we can't get the
protection. We'll try all kinds of other routes other than chancing
a release of the secrets. All of them fail. No way forward exists.
And no outsider has ever got hold of a working prototype.
8a. We all go on to other jobs. The hardware sits in storage until
years later it is lost in a fire, sold as scrap, stolen during
a break-in. Or...
8b. Because of how they treat us, the government, scientists, and the
public are all ignorant fools who DESERVE to die slowly in slavery
to oil companies while the world rots from pollution. We'll
destroy all evidence of our discovery and take the secrets to our
graves rather than let any slimeballs from outside reap benefits.
9. A new researcher makes a similar new discovery. Go back to #1 and
repeat.
The weak spot in this closed loop is obvious. USPTO incompetence? Yes,
but there's little chance of changing that! Therefore the real problem to
solve is the inventor-secrecy. Remove the need to keep secrets, and the
deadlock is broken. But preserve the need to keep secrets, and the
secrecy multiplies with the barrier of scientist/public disbelief and
erases any chance of success.
See me and Zack W. from eight years ago:
THE PROMETHEUS GAME
http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/prometh.html
Also:
Rules for Unconventional Research
http://amasci.com/freenrg/rules1.html
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