Hi Frank + RC. In this case, the color of the flame ought to tell us. Generally H2 flames are slightly blue if at all visible, although I suppose there would be doping of some sort from all the salts and junk flying around. I don't think an ordinary camera would expose with the flame though; aren't IR cameras and viewers used to fight H2 fires? The UV from the H2 flame wouldn't get very far past the water vapor in the air.
K. -----Original Message----- From: Grimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 2:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hydrogen from the Aether. At 09:30 pm 23-10-04 -0500, you wrote: >There are some interesting video of tornados >that show an occasional visible burst of flame >within the vortex. I had first thought the flash >came from contact with electric power lines but >a closer view showed no power lines in the path >of the tornado. Could this flame by caused by >hydrogen combustion ? Richard Absolutely Richard. The trouble with anomalous observations of that kind is that they don't fit into the scientific canon and they are ignored until they become coercive. They will therefore be explained away. People will "know" that the flame came from some mundane source of flammable material such a gas canisters exploding, or the like. With ephemeral phenomena such as tornadoes and earthquakes it is very difficult to produce the scientific evidence that high priests demand. These phenomena are not repeatable at will because they are not under man's control. Until hydrogen can be generated by lightning in the lab the scientific establishment will not believe it. Quite apart from anything else it means that in the academic race of snakes and ladders they will have fallen down a snake which takes them back, virtually to the beginning of the board. Imagine you were dumped in the middle of China. You would have to learn a new language, a new form of writing, etc. etc. - not an easy thing to do when you are over the hill, eh! It's the stones falling from heaven all over again I'm afraid. You have to admit that the idea of hydrogen being created ab initio is the stuff of science fiction. If I hadn't come on the possibility by a completely different route, I certainly wouldn't believe it. It's appropriate to give a quote from Bill Beaty's brilliant website. =================================================== WEIRD SCIENCE VERSUS REVOLUTIONARY SCIENCE --------------------------------------------------- While it's true that at least 99% of fringe science announcements are just as bogus as they seem, we cannot dismiss every one of them without any investigation. If we do, then we'll certainly take our place among the ranks of scoffers who dismissed (or even blocked) a large number of major scientific discoveries through history. Beware! Many apparently-sane discoveries such as powered flight and drifting continents appear normal and acceptable to us only because we have such powerful HINDsight. These same advancements seemed obviously wrong during the times they were first discovered. In science, pursuing revolutionary advancements can be like searching for diamonds hidden in sewage. It's a shame that the realms of questionable ideas contain "diamonds" of great value. It makes judging crazy theories much more difficult. If crazy discoveries were *always* bogus, then we'd have good reason to automatically reject them. However, since the "diamonds" exist, we must never automatically discard ideas and observations which seem appear to be part of the "sewage." Sometimes the "obvious" craziness turns out to be a genuine cutting edge discovery. ==================================================== Cheers Grimer
