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From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: Excitronics and Szpak


> Well Jones, I don't want to debate the possibility of "Excitronics", but
> your use of the Szpak paper is not the best evidence.  They made two
> errors.  They claimed the aluminum resulted from transmutation and they
> claimed that the deposited morphology resulted from an applied external
> electric field.  I addressed the first earlier.  In the second case, the
> applied field could have only had an indirect effect.  The electrolyte
> is a good conductor.  An external electric field can not penetrate a
> conductor.  At the very least, the ions would follow the lines of
> electropotential in such a way as to neutralize the gradient.  This
> would cause a change in convection currents within the cell and this
> would cause fluid to pass across the deposited surface.  This change in
> fluid flow is the cause of the change in morphology.  Simple mechanical
> stirring would have produced the same effect.  In addition, the type of
> crystal growth depends on applied current and the ion concentration.
> Several different types of deposit are known and can be easily made by
> changing the "normal" conditions.  I see nothing in this work that is
> anomalous or new.
> 
> Regards,
> Ed
> 
> 
> 
> Jones Beene wrote:
> 
> > Ref the recent paper:
> >
> >  http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/SzpakSprecursors.pdf
> >
> > Recently (to what cannot be described as overwhelming
> > fanfare), I tried to introduce the concept of "Excitronics."
> > This is a concept being tossed around in other fields, which
> > the open-minded observer could think of as a possible "key"
> > to the type of LENR where BEC-like "condensation" occurs -
> > resulting eventually in nuclear reactions. These would most
> > likely be the kind of reactions where you get a lot of
> > transmutation but little excess energy. A good example may
> > be the Szpak paper, which fortunately even comes with some
> > *nice images* of excitons (see, I wasn't really pulling your
> > leg after all).
> >
> > When very high current density is captured in a small
> > effective circuit, electrons start to act collectively, and
> > form what can be called "an electron gas" with strange and
> > sometimes emergent properties, since many similar bosons can
> > also begin to act as if they "were one" under high pressure
> > (substituting for cold temperature), besides just the
> > electrons - IOW as if they were a BEC-like "condensate".
> > Thus, excitronics is similar to a QM effect but not of the
> > low-probability variety, which is normal for QM.
> >
> > >From the Szpak paper:
> > "This is illustrated in a series of SEM photographs taken
> > from various runs. In the absence of an electric field, the
> > electrode structure consists of globules, 3 - 7 microns in
> > diameter, arranged in short columns [looking somewhat like
> > grape clusters] Each of the individual globules is an
> > aggregate of much smaller, almost spherical units, having a
> > diameter in a sub-micron range. This structure is uniform
> > throughout the electrode."
> >
> > Often there is a preferred "size" for the excitronic circuit
> > structure, and often that size will coincide with what is
> > known as a "particulate" of the metal or alloy through which
> > the electrons would normally travel.  For this experiment
> > the 3-7 micron grape-like structures which you see in Figure
> > 2.a)" the reference morphology" would be the Pd exciton
> > "particulate," but these excitons are also composed of
> > smaller nanoparticles. It is not stated what the ratio is
> > but I suspect that the particulate (or phonon) is
> > icosohedral - and may depend on the cross-interaction with
> > the nested nanoparticles.
> >
> > Perhaps the secret to why palladium works a matrix doe LENR
> > and not say, platinum, could be related to this geometric
> > ordering more so than due to any other property of the
> > metals. This gives hope that many alloys can be tailored to
> > work by adjusting their phonon structure and nested
> > nanostructure.
> >
> > Szpak used a strong electric field to get these results but
> > I would bet a dollar to a donut hole that *much better*
> > results would have come from using terahertz irradiation
> > instead of an electric field - which cannot be very
> > discriminating.
> >
> > This is a very important point. Exctitons are a derivative
> > of a precise geometric size and micro-structure, and might
> > have become a high temperature superconductor in other
> > parameters. If the same field intensity were to have been
> > created by a terahertz irradiation source, the results could
> > have been much more dramatic, IMHO.
> >
> > Many of these particulates share a common wavelength - lets
> > say the average diameter is >5 microns and the average
> > circumference is ~15 microns. Perhaps a third of all the
> > "grapes" will be close enough to become excitons.  When we
> > make this 15 micron wavelength "coherent", such as by
> > temperature regulation and by an identical phase-lock in
> > applied frequency, then... voila: resonance - often leading
> > to local superconductivity around the particulate - is
> > poised to become an "emergent" property of the imposed
> > coherence. BTW the "effective" electric field of coherent
> > terahertz light could easily reach a billion watts even with
> > a fairly broad focal point.
> >
> > This is the cross-over point and shared characteristic
> > between LENR and HTSC (high temperature superconductivity).
> > Once that 15 micron particulate becomes locally
> > superconductive the inherent magnetic field will soar to
> > probably 10-15 tesla, and that is in addition to the already
> > high internal effective pressure due to overpotential and
> > high loading.
> >
> > Yes, this is too "far-out" and hypothetical for many
> > researchers to even consider. And I haven't even yet
> > broached the subject of all that electronium which could be
> > within the nano-particle itself  ;-)  So all I can say at
> > this point is that my hope is that Szpak et al. will at
> > least have a look into the possibility of terahertz
> > irradiation... (and I hope they observe the results from an
> > adjoing bunker...)
> >
> > Jones
> 
> 

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