Hi RC,

Here's some better possibilities for natural CF.

http://www.rexresearch.com/goldfein/goldfein.htm

http://www.rexresearch.com/kervran/kervran.htm

No doubt others can add other resources to this short list.

K.

-----Original Message-----
From: RC Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CF in everyday life


Robin,  The tile is 1" representing a potential of 1 " water column pressure 
against the surface of the tile. As the water touches the tile an audible 
sucking sound occurs indicating a vacuum forms at the surface. A pressure 
greater than 1" w.c. psid is required to produce an audible sound...... 
Regarding the water olla temperature, the differential temperature cannot be 
reconciled using the math I learned in school.. of course, in Texas, there 
have been cases of finger and toe counting where paper was in short supply. 
Regards Richard
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robin van Spaandonk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: CF in everyday life


> In reply to  RC Macaulay's message of Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:11:47 -0600:
> Hi,
> [snip]
>>nightime temp of 70 degrees F. The water temperature inside the olla will 
>>fall to 70 degrees F as it "surrenders " heat to the clay wall of the 
>>olla. Comparing the differential potential for giving up heat to 
>>atmospheric conditions external to the olla is usually explained via 
>>evaporation due to the breeze. There is NO breeze in the desert. The 
>>lowering of the olla water temperature must be caused by what?
>
> It is caused by evaporation. Even without wind, the thin layer of air 
> against the wall of the vessel will be saturated with water vapour, which 
> makes it lighter than the surrounding air. That makes it rise up, and it 
> gets replaced by heavier dryer air, which in turn absorbs more moisture 
> from the vessel.
> So this works, even in the complete absence of wind. However even on so 
> called wind still days, there are usually occasional small air movements, 
> which help out with the process.
>
>>The indians dont worry about it.. they just enjoy the fact.
>>
>>Now consider a 12" X 12" X 1" Mexican Saltillo tile , red clay with small 
>>amounts of volcanic and flint rock. After firing the tile, it is extremely 
>>dry. Keep the tile dry but allow it to completely cool and sprinkle a 
>>small amout of water on the tile and watch it " boil" as it is absorbed 
>>into the porous tile. Why does the water momentarily boil?
>
> This "boiling" is more likely to be air bubbling up through the water, as 
> the water soaks into the porous tile, and replaces the internal air.
> [snip]
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> All SPAM goes in the trash unread.
>
> 



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