> From: Jones Beene
> > Praise Bob!
> >
> > (Subgenius Sarfatti also heard from Valis:
> >
> > http://www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/parsifal.html )
>
>
>
> Geeze, is he not more Full of S_ _ _ than a Christmas
> turkey?
>
The name of "Sarfatti" has been mentioned within the hallowed halls of
Vortex-l. I can only presume this is in reference to the one and only: Jack
Sarfatti.
I feel inclined to share a little cyberspace adventure I had with Sarfatti
back around 2002 - 2003. I've chosen to share the following private email
transcripts because he claims to be a theoretical physicist and apparently
has performed a lot of analysis on the topic of ZPE and other exotic
alternative energies. It's possible some Vorts may wish to pursue his
theoretical work more extensively.
Sarfatti may very well be a genius in the fields of theoretical physics. I
really don't know.
Unfortunately, like many geniuses, his people skills leave something to be
desired.
One of my email addresses without my knowledge and/or specific intention
found itself included in a mailing list that for all purposes --appeared--
to be managed by Jack Sarfatti. I started getting email from an address,
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]", which my Outlook s/w translated into the name of "Jack
Sarfatti". There seemed to be a flame war going on between individuals I
could have cared less about at the time. I wanted to be removed from the
list and so, quite logically, I replied to the "FROM" address:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] In the course of our occasionally colorful
correspondence, Mr. Sarfatti claimed he wasn't responsible for maintaining
the mailing list. However, the compiled evidence as revealed below would
seem to suggest otherwise.
For your pleasure, here's an abbreviated excerpt of the correspondence that
transpired between myself and Sarfatti:
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My response Thursday, 11/14/2002 10:55 AM:
"REMOVE MY EMAIL ADDRESS FROM THIS LIST IMMEDIATELY"
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Sarfatti's response, Thursday, 11/14/2002, 2002 11:54 AM:
"Hey goofy do you see me using this list anymore? No!
It was sent to me. I replied to it a few times - finito.
Get the rod out of your arse."
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My response Fri 11/15/2002 6:45 PM
Mr. Sarfatti,
In response to "Hey Goofy..."
If you scroll down you will note that the "from" is from Jack Sarfatti
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's a pretty long listing of "CCs" of which my
email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] is included. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is you,
isn't it, and did you not send this yesterday, Thursday? So, yes, I DO see
you having used this listing, and quite recently.
Therefore, just in case you might feel motivated to make another mass
mailing I ask you politely, please remove my email address from this email
listing.
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Sarfatti's response, Fri 11/15/2002 6:58 PM
"bug off asshole. Do you see me using that list? No!
You are the problem here."
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My response, Fri 11/15/2002 8:25 PM
Mr Sarfatti,
In all your carefully worded responses to me I find it interesting that you
have consistently deleted the evidence that shows the large "CC" listing
(with my email address included) and who was responsible for generating that
listing. You only seem to leave my own wording, carefully concealing yours.
I got one of your mass emails almost a month ago, the first one with subject
titled: "Stephen Schwartz & The Real Truth about UFO Black Ops". There have
been several more since then including the latest one from you dated
yesterday, Thursday.
I gather you are a writer attempting to document important facts concerning
UFOS, dark energy, the wonders of exotic science...
Your command of the English language, the use of words like "Goofy" and
"asshole" to describe me are, well... certainly colorful. Are all your
publications written to evoke the same level of intelligence and scientific
inquiry?
I noticed Jacques F. Vallee did not seem to be particularly impressed.
Once again, what follows is the email I received from you in its entirety
including the "CC" listing, dated yesterday. The evidence that came into my
email box shows that you were the individual responsible for sending it.
If you weren't responsible for sending it feel free to explain why not. I
don't think calling me "asshole" once again, however, will likely convince
me.
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Sarfatti's response: Fri 11/15/2002 9:13 PM
Hey you small minded hack. You are on other people's lists that I am also
on. I briefly replied to those lists and then stopped. So go fuck yourself.
One can never convince an asshole that he is an asshole. I have no wish to
cast my pearls before swine.
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My response, Sat 11/16/2002 6:02 PM
Mr. Sarfatti,
Do us both a favor and reveal the email address responsible for maintaining
this listing. I'm guessing here... Is it someone by the name of Nick Herbert
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or Ron Pandolf [EMAIL PROTECTED], or
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know who any
of these guys are.
It's been my experience that repeatedly attempting to intimidate the
intelligence of others with words like "goofy", "...small minded hack", and
"asshole" will lose their virulence rather quickly - and backfire, sometimes
quite spectacularly.
I find it interesting that it seems to have been far more important for you
to focus most of your energies on calling me naughty names or that I perform
demeaning activities upon my body than to suggest the simplest of all
solutions: Revealing WHICH email address is responsible for maintaining this
listing. Why haven't you reveal this simple bit of information? It gives me
the distinct impression that deep down, possibly on some subconscious level,
you really AREN'T interested in terminating our email correspondence. Surely
you're not that hard up for a little company.
As for someone who claims to have stopped sending to this listing you
apparently sent another one as late as last Thursday. For you to then tell
me the very same day: "Hey goofy do you see me using this list anymore? No!"
is misleading.
You really are a physicist?
Steve
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Sarfatti's response, Sat 11/16/2002 8:08 PM
FRANKLY I DO NOT KNOW. IT'S NOT MY FRIEND RON PANDOLFI WHO IS A BIG HONCHO
AT THE CIA. NOT A GOOD IDEA FOR YOU TO HARASS HIM ON THAT. TAKE MY ADVICE.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT YOU ARE STEPPING INTO.
All I know is that I received the open list initially and replied to all on
it maybe a total of 3 times in a short time. I have not used it since for
several days nor have I gotten anything from it. So let sleeping dogs lie.
Capische? For all I know you are the hacker who started this.
[in reply to me asking if Sarfatti really was a physicist]
Yes, and you really are a shmuck.
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My response, Sat 11/16/2002 9:17 PM
Mr. Sarfatti,
Finally! The breakthrough that I was looking for!
The reality of the situation is that you don't know who is responsible for
maintaining this mysterious listing. I was under the mistaken assumption
that you DID know since it didn't seem to stop you from advertising your
books. Have you considered how such mercenary actions on your part tend to
make you appear involved in the listing's maintenance? In any case I would
assume you are as much in the dark as I as to how your own email address got
on the list.
Was it THAT difficult for you to just tell me you really didn't know?
Degrading others in barrages of verbal abuse rather than simply setting the
record straight does nothing more than drain your own psychic resources. You
seem to be burning your bridges faster than anyone I have met in a long
time. It's not a particularly good trait to cultivate if you're trying to
get your books read by the public. Capische?
Just in case you were serious, no I'm not the "hacker" who started this.
Just like you, even... oh, what was that word you used to describe me...
"shmucks" like me have better things to do with their lives! ;-)
Despite what you might think I shall take your advice and "let sleeping dogs
lie" on this matter for now.
This concludes our correspondence. Thank you for your contributions.
Have a nice day, Mr. Rogers!
Steve
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Sarfatt's response (Apparently, he wasn't finished with me) Sat 11/16/2002
9:56 PM:
Boy are you a Doophus. It's the American Way. You sound like a Commie
to me. Of course I will advertise my books. I have not continued to use the
list. It was an opportunity and I took it. Only a small minority of morons
like you objected. My ideas are important to that group you dumb fuck!
[In response to who may have put his email address on the list]
Yes. It may be that infamous hacker Indrid Cold. Indeed, it may even be you
jerking my chain.
[In response to my thoughts on his book selling tactics]
My books sell in the hundreds of thousands. It don't matter what a few
doophuses think.
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At this point a lot of people on this mailing list were beginning to ask
questions as well, wondering how their email addresses got on the list. Many
were clamoring to get their addresses removed, to no avail.
I continued receiving unwanted Sarfatti postings for months. I relegated
them to a special "Sarfatti" drop, thinking maybe all this static noise
might eventually come in handy at some future date.
Finally, one frustrated individual named Jimmie L.Holman had the fortitude
and brains to figure out how to take care of Sarfatti's unrelenting
postings. Here's Jimmie's response to the mailing list.
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>From Jimmie L. Holman, Tue 1/14/2003 4:24 PM:
I, like many others, am so disguested at Sarfatti's mindless and continued
senseless attacks, I felt compelled to offer these suggestions. (knowing he
is going to retaliate anyway)
I have repeately, asked, requested, then later demanded to be removed from
his "list" ... which I did NOT EVER subscribe to in the first place ... and
now it appears his inability to handle even the simpelest of computer
processes and civil requests, finds him unable or (apparently) unwilling to
handle even that simple task of user removal or list management. I have
even gone so far to privately instruct him to NEVER send me even a private
email again. Apparently even that simple concept eludes his "self-alledged"
logic and comprehension.
I of course, like many others, have endured both personal and private
attacks, sometimes even vulgar and insulting in content simply for asking to
be removed.... and this is from someone I do not know (do not want to know)
and from someone who definately does not know me (or my background or work).
As an owner, of some 40-50 domains, numerous mailservers, numerous
listservers, and all the equipment they reside on, and employing competent
personel worldwide to administrate and manage as appropriate, ... I do have
a relatively good understanding of some of the issues involved here, both in
dealing with folks, and in dealing with other ISPs when inappropriate
solicitations and abuse like Mr. Sarfatti's occur. It was only thru
contacting Mr. Sarfatti's provider at that time via phone, and furnishing
them with the obviously irrational posts was i able to recieve (apparently
only temporary) relief. Although I am capable of shutting down and refusing
ALL connections with my servers to/from PacBell and well.com, this really
isnt a fair option to other PacBell or well.com users OR to my
users/subscribers (although some of them have complained as well). I do
intend to personally contact his current providers again today.
Of course simple adding a personal filter to our mailservers is an option
for many folks although that doesn't necessarily take care of the time
needed to download often interfearing with more important and WANTED mail.
Im my personal machines alone that amounts to almost 40 workstations.... and
in some cases are making it thru to my cell phone and I'm having to pay for
air time for this crap.
There is very little doubt that what "Jack" seems to "envision" as a
"discussion list" is nothing more that a bastardized use of "free speech" to
attack others and promote his "book" (such that it is) which is almost
always referenced in his "unsolicited emails".
Because of his apparent unwillingness to remove individuals and the manner
in which he attacks them whan they DO respectfully ask .....I would like to
make the following suggestion.
1. STILL AGAIN ask to be removed from his "list" (save the emails ... you
will probably need them)
2. Write or Call PacBell
(toll free)1-866-722-3425 or 1-877-722-3755 and ask to speak to someone
regarding an abuse issue
email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3. Write or Call Well.com (one of the addresses he uses San Francisco area)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 415-645-9300 these people are already aware of problems
with "Mr. Jack"
4. On any of the responsible mailing lists you are currently subscribed to,
mention the problem at hand, and ask the current list administrator to make
sure your email address is protected and not disclosed in their mailings. I
think most of us realize that was how he got our addresses in the first
place. (This is aparently where Mr. Sarfatti acquired at least some of our
names)
5. As an "almost" last resort I might also recommend contacting Tim Jacobs
administrative contact for [EMAIL PROTECTED] They have a numbers in
Bloomington IN 812-339-6000 and 812-339-6554 they also have a toll free
number but it may not be appropriate 1-888-519-5121 Im sure unders the
circumstances, they do not appreciate their name being SPAMMED nor the image
it is leaving for their "potential customers" on an otherwise "respectable"
and excellent resource.
6. Lastly ... dont just "tollerate" this type of system abuse. Im sure most
of us enjoy participating in responsible lists and utilize the content to
gain a more thorough understanding of the topics and of the science.
7. Remember ...There ARE other "less than ethical" options and techniques
available should he not cooperate and civil requests for removal not be
honored. My experience and expectation with him is that he is so mentally
disturbed that those requests will not be answered ... and predict he will
surely even enter into still another of his tirades again ... i can almost
promise it ;-))
There is one other possible solution, although not quite so immediate, and
if this continues, I may contact some of you personally for possible legal
action, both civil and criminal, against Mr. Sarfatti. (We already have more
than enough evidence.)
Additionally ... if requested and needed ... I will be happy to set up an
automated system on one of my mail servers which will forward requests for
removal and complaints directly to his multiple ISP mail administrators
stating you have been unable to get these SPAMS/emails/attacks stopped and
ask that they take "localized action". I am really hoping this will not be
necessary.
If we cant get removed from the list .... our only option may be to get the
list or his resources removed.
I am a firm believer in free speech ... however Mr. Sarfatti goes far beyond
the restraints of good taste, manners, opinion and continually and in my
opinion, is intentionally slanderous in nature. I doubt that any thinking
life-form (with the exception of Mr. Sarfatti ... IF he qualifies) can not
agree with that assessment. There is little doubt that "Jack" is not working
with a "full deck" and we cannot apply logic to any dealings with this man.
If i am "lucky" he will remove me BEFORE I have to deal with still another
insulting public post.
Please try some of the above recomendation. Best of luck to you all !
Jimmie Holman
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After Jimmie's post I decided to send another request to the same email
address (Sarfatti) asking to have my address removed:
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My message sent Tue 1/14/2003 7:06 PM
Dear Mr. Sarfatti,
I understand you may be trying to cull your mailing list. If so, could you
check to see if the following email address is in your "BCC" listing:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
and if so, could you remove it?
I end up trying to filter much of your email as I don't have the time to
read it, plus I get tons of other messages that have a higher priority in my
own on-line business dealings.
It would appear that you may have more than one email address, and as such,
I have not been completely successful in filtering out all your messages.
Thank you for your time.
Steve
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Sarfatti's response, Tue 1/14/2003 7:22 PM
yes I deleted it.
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My email address was finally removed from the list server. I received no
further public email postings from Jack Sarfatti.
Coincidence?
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
