I have been going through the posts on the Prometheus Yahoo 
site and I came across this one from a "true believer",
to wit, Dave Squires, which I thought was a good basis for 
further discussion.

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     I already know that OU is real. There is no 
     need to convince me with this device. I am 
     already convinced and have seen it on the 
     bench with different devices in both solid 
     state and rotary forms. It has also been 
     proven in 3D and 2D magnetics simulations. 
     I also understand much of the principles 
     behind creating energy gain. This version of 
     the SMOT is but one. But it has a very meager 
     gain.

     The gain mechanism is the electron momentum 
     exchange between the magnets and the iron in 
     the steel ball. Energy is added to the ball 
     via electron momentum exchange where the 
     energy in the magnets is added to the 
     electrons in the ball. Typically, there is a 
     clawback mechanism that takes back as much 
     as was put in that we usually call magnetic 
     back-drag.

     The trick is in altering the balance of that 
     clawback mechanism to create an asymmetry  
     such that some remains and the magnets use 
     their own ZPE energy restoration mechanism rather
     than the easier clawback. You are trying to 
     do this by having the ball exit at a lower 
     magnetic force point so that it retains most 
     of the energy of momentum added by the magnets. 
     Then you are adding a measuring system to show 
     that it's real. I believe it. No need to prove 
     it to me. But it's a small gain in this case.

     Dave
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Now being a "concrete head" I see the energy tied up in
the magnets as very fine scale positive and negative 
strain energy. In effect a magnet is a strain energy 
battery or spring.

If you want a macro-scale example of positive and negative
strain energy storage I can think of none better than 
toughened glass where the strain energy in input by the 
differential cooling of the surface and core. This energy
is released explosively when a crack reaches the core in
a high state of tension and result in the sudden overall
crazing of the glass pane. 

Now the strain energy in a magnet is analogous but on a 
much, much, much finer scale. The finer the scale, the more
strain energy one can pump into a material. Energy is akin
to information. The higher the resolution, the more potential
information.

At school I was taught not to drop permanent magnets coz they
loose their magnetism if they are banged about. Now the action
of the ball will be to stretch send the magnets around a teeny
weeny hysteresis loop and slowly draw out their strain energy
in the form of kinetic energy.

The crucial question is, do (as Dave claims) "the magnets use 
their own ZPE energy restoration mechanism rather than the 
easier clawback."

It sounds plausible. What does our resident magneto head think.
Over to you, Horselover Fats.   <grin>

I'll now get back to reading the rest of the posts on the 
Prometheus Group's site.

Cheers

Frank Grimer


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