ohh, i dont mind the holes they dig for THEMSELVES.  i laugh when
someone kills themselves in a single car accident with no passengers.

its the holes they dig for OTHERS thats so dangerous and must be stopped.

and by they, i mean anyone who pushes their religion on another,
whatever their belief may be.

On 5/21/05, Steven Vincent Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Ed,
> 
> I'm just getting around to reading my back log of Vortex messages.
> 
> I'm sure I'll have more to say shortly.
> 
> ...
> 
> > I agree with you.  If I were God I would create a large collection of
> > intelligent lifeforms on this and on various other planets and let
> > evolution sort out which ones will survive. Some will make mistakes that
> > lead to their extinction and others will find the wisdom to prosper and
> > approach my image.  Our situation is not yet resolved.  While I agree
> > that the various religions describe our condition fairly well, my
> > complaint is with the solution they apply to the problems they find.
> > >
> > > Wait a minute! I AM god.
> >
> > Now that is a very enlightened observation, Steven.
> 
> Oh, I rarely feel THAT enlightened! ;-)
> 
> >                                               The fact is that we
> > were made in our own image, not in God's image. We then make God in our
> > image.  As a result, we each are the image of God we each attribute to
> > God.  In that sense, we each are god.
> 
> I dare say this is a discussion on the refinement of perception that could
> go on for months. It is questionable whether vortex is the place to continue
> it even though I bare considerable responsibility for bringing it to the
> forefront of this group. If so, my apologies to the collective membership.
> 
> I will only add that God may not be that far away from our hearts and minds.
> 
> I doubt you are in disagreement with me on that premise.
> 
> > > Oh dear! Fasten your seatbelts! I fear we're in for another bumpy ride!
> >
> > Very true, but not just in this discussion.  My anger is about the ride
> > that is being imposed upon us by people who are sure they know God's
> > will.  On the other hand, I make no claim to know God's will, but I do
> > know the end of the path being proposed. The real problem is that many
> > of these people look forward to having civilization destroyed because
> > they believe this is what God wants and they, because they use the
> > correct method of worship, will survive.  This is the worst form of self
> > justification that is usually attributed to insanity when it is observed
> > in an isolated individual.  Unfortunately, the attitude becomes an
> > accepted religion when it is believed by enough people.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ed
> > >
> 
> I understand you frustration as well.
> 
> While I'm sure I freely chose to to play in this sandbox it did not give me
> the right to chose who will be playing along side with me.  The holes I
> occasionally see and/or feel my plamates dig for themselves... sometimes it
> feels so pointless. It vexes me too.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Steven Vincent Johnson
> www.OrionWorks.com
> 
> 
> 


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