How about the stuff Kanarev did? Any good? http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/Kanarev/electrolysis
-----Original Message----- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 11:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Could Low Level Electrolysis Be Overunity? Jones Beene wrote: > Ah...Ultra high efficiency electrolysis - it is a subject that > reappears at least yearly on vortex. As it is involved in CF, there > are probably more water-splitters here per capita than anywhere else on the net. > Between all the water and hair-splitters, we could set up a chapter of > Slitters-Anonymous - 12 steps to OU recovery, so to speak. > > Electrolysis is easy and cheap to experiment with, and often seems > more promising at first take than later - because you can get "some" > gas bubbles on a 'proper' cathode at extremely low voltage. There is a > pronounced "reverse economy of scale" going on in this situation - > IMHO, which is what is to be expected of ZPE-extraction, as a rule > (again, very opinionated) > > A few of us went to work last year trying to find OU this way - > follwoing the announcement in India that Prof R. P. Viswanath of > Indian Institute of Technology Madras, had been uscessful using a > compartmentalized electrolytic cell - and that they have been > successful splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen at a relatively > much lower potential of around 0.90 V compared to 1.23V. You can do > this on a small scale, but doing it commercially on a large scale is > another problem altogether. > > The theoretical minimum decomposition potential to split water into > requires a potential of 1.23 V. but due to an assortement of reasons, > a significantly higher potential is usually necessary for high-output > - but the same does not apply when splitting H2O into H (as hydronium) > and corresponding OH redicals as nature does that free-of-charge naturally. > At the nanosecond time-scale, the formula for water is more like > H(1.6)O plus intermediates than H2O. Jones, let me suggest another reason why a voltage below 1.23 V can be used to split water. The 1.23 V value is for the "ideal" condition when all reactants and products are at unit activity, i.e. when H2O is pure, and H2 and O2 are at 1 atm. However, pure H2O can not be used because it is essentially an insulator. When extra H+ or OH- are added to make the fluid conductive, the H2O is no longer pure and at unit activity. In essence, energy has been added that has partially split the water into H and O. As a result, less energy is required as voltage to complete the process. If the energy added to the solution in making and adding the H+ or OH- is taken into account, the correct enthalpy of H2O will be obtained. In other words, an apparent OU is only caused by not taking all energy sources into account. Regards, Ed
