Like many who gravitate to this forum, I pride myself in being open-minded regarding many lesser-held notions, but yet have never really bought-into the "full" or "strong" alien-visitation UFO stuff, such as would needed to be the basis for hidden messages in DNA, etc.

The strong position is that aliens have actually been here "in our physical space". From my POV, all of the many anecdotal accounts of this can be explained as more like "visible (and real) to some individuals", but still appearing as only the mental-image (and probably from another spatial-dimension) - but not physical. Despite alluding to non-human intelligence being possible on many occasions, the 'physical' part is just too hard to swallow as a factual matter, given that the geniuses at FBI, CSI or other tri-letter bureaucracy can solve a 50-year old murder with a hair left in an exhaust duct, and yet regarding something this important, there is not a single iridescent green-skin-scale left behind from an alien site - nothing except laughable, staged autopsies of foam dummies. Until some physical relic is found and proven, why go further? We know for a fact that the tricksters and con artists are out there having a field-day and charging $20 a pop for bogus lectures and more for bogus books.

This is not full skepticism - just caution based on what the past has shown as relevant in an individual case. Of course, as with most everything in life... Its all a matter of weighing the evidence in light of experience... and weighing the hypothetical against alternative and often mundane explanations.

But as in the pursuit of free energy, there is some physical evidence which is hard to ignore, so much so that it is like the proverbial "trout in the milk" An encoded segment of DNA would be like that salmon-like.

Unfortunately (for the proponents of LENR) the alien stuff is in the background. And fortunately for the LENR skeptics, there is this substantial segment of the proponents of free-energy who also profess to believe "almost anything" from other fields, and much of that attitude could be related to the attractiveness of "shock appeal," or "drama" being the better term, in an otherwise ho-hum life, perhaps. But at any rate, this personality type, even in science and logic, will prefer the dramatic more than the explanatory logic, if there is no clear winner.... OK, no problemo with that as a life-style choice, either... my life being possibly more boring than most (except to me)... yet there remains the little problem that when the *skeptic* wants to impugn cutting-edge OU experiment, well you know the rest.

Much of the R&D work, but not all, in LENR and ZPE, is _fact_ or very close, and not opinion, but then naturally that skeptic (and most skeptics would rather win arguments that preserve any sense of fairness - that is how they deal with their boring life)... will quickly introduce an extraneous issue, such as an 'ad hominem' remark, almost always disparaging but it can be from another unrelated belief-structure. Guess you think that I am going to finger a belief in "alien-visitation" at this point in the argument, but it does not have to go anywhere near that far.

For instance if you wanted to impugn a belief in ZPE, instead of arguing the facts based upon experiment and mathematics, etc...and perhaps knowing that Puthoff, as an example, who is one of the chief public proponents of ZPE, but seems to hold less-tenable beliefs (to be objective, not derogatory) such as those regarding Psi/ESP remote viewing, etc, then you-the-skeptic might throw-out that 'other' belief as evidence for your argument against ZPE - as has been done on many, occasion, by those who are not normally so intellectually dishonest.

However, I appreciate that there are some readers and contributors to vortex with stronger opinions in this alien-visitation field, which I would not chose to challenge... so here is question for those who express that sentiment that 'alien' intelligence is already here physically but that they (aliens) are choosing specifically to be "non- interfering" so to speak, which as I understand it is broadly called the fish-bowl hypothesis .. Anyway, would anyone out there in radio-land who has thought about these things and understands the nuances, care to explain the intricacies of the very important logical argument underlying this, the "fishbowl hypothesis".

Actually if it were not for the strong logic of this argument, especially as it relates to religion, I would have to reject the physical-alien stuff 100%, but this argument itself is compelling on several levels, even if there were no anecdotal evidence to go along with it.

Jones





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