----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen A. Lawrence and Robin van Spaandonk

Is there an example of a noise source with which this actually can be made to work?

Send the current through a couple of transformers
that increase the voltage to about 10 V. Put a diode and capacitor in the output of the last transformer, and you have a (very small)
source of DC current at about 10 V. The noise source will cool
it's environment till it reaches absolute zero.

The electrical noise will be random in nature, but the diode
"creates order out of chaos" by converting the complex AC into DC.

Yes - But... this 1/f noise is not robust enough to make-up for the transformer losses, normally - should you want to demonstrate an available form of free energy (really heat and natural EM radiation)

There is the prospect that 1/f noise can be captured most effectively with a fractal antenna... which can be thought of as a form of diode. Actually the "form" which is etched on these is roughly triangular - somewhat like the diode electrical symbol. A few folks will even tell you correctly that a tiny amount of free-energy is available by rectifying the output of a fractal antenna, or other kinds of efficient antennae like the helical torus (CTHA), or Avramenko's plug. Yes, I know. Most of this energy could be 'free' but still originate primarily from your local broadcasting tower or from ambient heat ... but nevertheless, it would be interesting (to perpmos at least) to see if it is enough to keep a spinning top in motion for a time-frame of years.

Here is a suggestion from an old post that I made a while back, using 1/f and the spinning top toy, but never got around to trying it.

The LEVITRON (tm)
http://www.levitron.com/
has been argued to be a "stolen" invention, so buying it from the turkeys who mis-appropriated it is a problem, but nevertheless we know that when the top spins in the range from about 20 to 35 revolutions per second (rps) it is stable - but unstable above 40 rps and below 18 rps. After a few minutes of spinning it always reaches the lower stability limit due to air friction and falls. The spin lifetime of the can be extended to about 30 minutes by placing it in a vacuum. There is a "powered" version that requires a battery and will spin a very long time even with no vacuum.

But there is a way that "almost perpetual motion" could be obtained without the battery (would that make you a quasi-perp-mo ?) that is, if any tiny amount of "free energy" could be rectified from 1/f noise, ZPE or whatever. This noise might be somehow increased in the vicinity of the spin itself.

The head of Caltech's Physics Dept. has an interesting site:
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/display/displaycase.htm
where he discusses his efforts to keep a top spinning using a battery. They achieved almost a year and had it not been for earthquakes and so on, it could have been longer.

Go down to the item called: The Perpetual Top and then below that is he shows the powered version of the Levitron.

I don't know why he didn't even consider replacing the 9 v. battery with caps and an antenna - for effect - at least, even if the EM energy is coming from broadcast waves instead of ZPE. Maybe the answer is related to why he is a prof at Caltech, or maybe its because he has too much education and too little inventiveness (and/or exposure to vortex ;-).

Side note: Most technological progress - on an international scale - does come slowly from incremental advancement of the status quo by organized teams of specialists, and in my experience, most professors are very good at facilitating that slow process - but conversely, most are not worth much for riskier adventuring and finding the "breakthrough". Less well-educated inventors should be thankful for that - as it gives them a window for the occasional big advance, unlikely as it might be...and the big advance can start with an accident (Goodyear and Curie), or by wiring something up incorrectly (profs seldom do that). OK. Enough philosophizing.

To paraphrase and incorporate the 1/f capture idea into the info from the
Cal Tech site:

The goal of the PM spin top (PM = either permanent magnet or perpetual motion, depending on you boldness) is to make a device that will spin for many years with no battery, only a tiny amount of extra energy which could be supplied from 1/f or ZPE, assuming that some of it can be rectified. Perpetual motion may be forbidden by someone's so-called law and by our patent office, but our solar system and every atom in our body indicates that things can spin for many billions of years without loosing much, and that should be adequate encouragement for present needs.

The spinning top contains embedded in it a small permanent magnet, oriented perpendicular to the spin axis and balanced with a washer near the lower end. The base contains a levitating magnet, a bifilar coil around the levitating magnet, an NPN transistor, a capacitor instead of a battery, and a fractal antenna. Many who have been around "free-energy" ideas for a while will recognize the professor's circuit, as modified here, as a tank circuit. That is promising for reasons that he might not appreciate. The electrical circuit would need to be enhanced from the schematic shown - to include recharging the cap from the fractal antenna. Probably a bridge rectifier is all you need between the fractal antenna and the cap. This company can supply a fractal antenna:
http://www.fractenna.com/

After startup as the spinning magnet slows a bit, it begins to wobble slightly and a current is induced in one winding in such a direction as to make the base of the transistor (an NPN) go positive. That makes the emitter-collector current flow through winding B, in the opposite direction to A. This should both speed-up and center the spin slightly, keeping it in equilibrium. The induction from A to B is regenerative, doubly so if you use a true bifilar coil, but there are small losses. There is no preference to clockwise or counter-clockwise rotation for the top. Actually you might improve on the good professor's design by any number of specialties and gimmicks... Where is Scott McKie when we need him?

The beauty of the system is that energy is fed back into the spinner by its own control system regardless of how it is spinning, and if the device is in a bell jar with a near vacuum, levitated to eliminate friction, then the energy required to keep up spin could be miniscule to the point of being nearly unmeasurable. Will the fractal antenna supply enough to continually recharge the cap(s) and permit perpetual spinning? I think there is a fair chance of that.

The only thing that I can guarantee is if it did spin for years with no battery... within microseconds of anyone announcing that accomplishment, skeptics would jump out of the woodwork to claim that the energy was coming... not from ZPE at all but from the plethora of RF broadcast waves in any urban area, i.e. from TV, radio, cellular, etc. And they would be correct, at least partially.

Would putting the whole thing in a Faraday cage silence the skeptics or silence the spinner ?

Jones



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