On Wednesday 20 July 2005 21:52, RC Macaulay wrote:
> BlankJones made an interesting comment on a past post regarding black holes
> which gave me pause and thought. Granted that black holes remain
> theoretical. We must remember that what is observed in distant space
> occurred some millions of years ago and is not necessarily indicative of
> the present. Black holes may be nature's way of " balancing the equation"
> or the action similar to a capacitor. This seeming absurd conjecture could
> lead to " crazies" thinking in terms of " the other side" but. another view
> may be closer to Grimer's writing on compreture ( inverse of temperature)
> than we realize. Tesla stated he knew how to transmit electricity
> wireless.. hmmm.
>
> How does all thsi nonsense apply to vortex? A clue may be in remembering
> the Ranque- Hilsch vortex tube design used for cooling by applying a high
> speed air vortex. Recall the tube produces heat at one end and cool at the
> other. Now consider the earth pictured as two vortex joined at the base (
> two cones joined at the point) . If these imaginary vortex were conceived
> as two vortex tubes.. and they produced cold at the north and south pole
> and heat at the points, they would describe a weather scenario. Grimer
> seemingly alluded to this  without recognizing the stimuli his comments had
> on others. A comment regarding the ancient Arabic maps triggered my search
> and produced the interesting map of Antarctic.. sans snow cover.
> http://www.wwatching.net/enigma_ancient_maps.htm#Antarctica
>
> The question of how the mapmakers could draw a seacoast and elevations to
> an area covered in snow has been a mystery. The answer may be no snow was
> present when they mapped. Consider the socalled migration of the pre-indian
> from Asia across the Bering  to Alaska. Supposedly the land mass was fully
> frozen permitting the trek. Few are foolish to venture out in subzero
> temperature to explore the unknown. The better explanation is the land mass
> across the Bering was hospitable for travel including available food and
> water. Another mystery is the vanishing Anazasi indian in the southwestern
> tip of Colorado around year 1200 AD. A major century long weather phenomena
> ? I mentoned to Jones on a post that one proof of his observation may be
> that the poles are covered with snow. The earth may be act as a " heat
> sink" and the temperature changes happen in phase as natural space
> capacitors charge and dischage to maintain order out of chaos.
>
> Whats the point of this conjecture??? Capacitors both store energy and are
> used for power correction. If a black hole exists, it has a purpose in
> nature. The black hole theory is usually depicted as a vortex. It is
> seething with energy. Vortexians are diligently searching for CF. Perhaps
> any attempt to " capture " it will be met with a defense mechanism, and
> perhaps we may should look at defense mechanisms as a clue.
>
> Richard

  However, the apparent reluctance of established academia to embrace the 
obvious fact of the existance of this knowledge among people in the remote 
past must be rooted in, basically, their fear for their jobs/careers, etc.  
For to publicly acknowledge these ancient peoples awareness of the real 
coastlines of this remote and forbidding place is to wonder where they got
that knowledge, seeing as that Antarctica has been a land of ice for millions 
of years.  It takes good technology to draw a real coastline from naval 
surveys or otherwise.  Any casual perusal of the maps that our early 
explorerers used of necessity leads to the wonderment that they survived to 
improve on the ignorance and superstition of the age with at least some 
facts.  It is these folks, back to the Egyptians and the Chinese that had the 
earliest paper.  This knowledge has to be millions of years old.  Who 
preserved it through thousands of millenia.  Or what.  Certainly not man, as 
he was an itinerant eater of fruit and scavenger of cat carcasses in Africa 
who barely survived extinction in what we now call Kenya about sixty thousand 
years ago.  These men had only a stone axe, 'axe-101', for millions of years 
before that.  They lived naked and took to the trees at the first sign of 
predators, and in Africa there were at least three species of sabre-tooth 
cats up to and including Smilodon and several species of the emerging 
pantherines that were perfectly willing to add 'long pig' to their menus.  
These would not have been able to pass knowledge down from anybody.  Then 
there are the other anomalies like the shoe found in a coal seam in 
Pennsylvania that was millions of years old, and the batteries found in the 
great pyramid, and the supposed mechanical and other technological devices 
found in a pyramid in China recently.  The report on that seems to have 
slipped out of sight for some reason.  So who passed down the knowledge, and 
where did THEY get it and WHY!  The only answer that makes sense, however 
fantastic, is that somebody in the middle ages stumbled on a cache of 
knowledge and whatever else and had the good sense to copy it down.  Luck 
would not have drawn that map.  The other part of this answer is even more 
fantastic.  That is that we are not the first sentients to have called the 
Earth 'Home'!  So who were these others?  Evolved hadrosaurs maybe, or 
visitors from somewhere else.  The greater a civilization, the more fragile 
its remains if it is destroyed sufficiently to preclude recovery.  This may 
be easier than one thinks given the interdependance of evolved society.  Pull 
out one vital part and the whole structure collapes as a house of cards.  
Ancient peoples to us built in stone.  Thick stone.  Old Roman roads survive 
to this day in roadbeds over two foot thick.  Who builds roads like that 
today?  Bear in mind that the heaviest load hauled on these roads that we 
would build for the heaviest vehicles on the face of the planet........were 
ox carts and sandal clad message runners.   There is darned little left of 
our oldest cultures.  The oldest are intact because a disaster inundated them 
in the Gulf of Bengal 13000 years ago so they became safe from looters.  That 
is only a FEW thousand years ago.  What would be left of cultures made of 
fragile materials that may be 50 million years old?

Of course, all this depends on the historical veracity of the Antarctic map.

Standing Bear

.....Suppose those Egyptians did not build those pyramids, only painted them?
...or remodeled them a bit.  Very few rooms in them.  Asking a lot of poor 
farmers, no matter how they were whipped or tortured, to have built something 
as large without more rooms in it.  Implying a sense of impracticality among 
peoples that had to make use of everything in order to survive.  Look at the 
wear on the outside in a place where footprints in hard mud can live for 
centuries.  Not just the missing facing stones, which could have been 
'salvaged' by later peoples to built other structures;  and are missing from 
ground level to near the top as high as the most daring or desparate would 
climb to carry a stone down.  The underlying stones are quite eroded as well.
Then there was the Russian research.

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